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#17297 by blackpoolowl
17 Jan 2007, 22:28
can anyone give me some advise.
my 9 year old daughter was violently sick both on the way & back from our trip to orlando last feb. she said it was because of the aircraft smell. we go back to orlando in 2 weeks time & if possible i would like to try prevent the same happening again.

as soon as we got onto the plane she starts complaing about the smell (presumably its the cabin pressure) then she went very pale and ended up throwing up nearly all the way. her lips & nose turned blue towards the end of the journey. i am thinking this maybe dehydration.

we have traveled to orlando for the last 5 years but this was the 1st time this has happened
any advise would be apprieciated

thx
terry
#155424 by MarkJ
17 Jan 2007, 22:33
My advice would be to take your daughter to the doctor and discuss it with him/her as something that makes her ill must have a cause and whilst I am sure there will be plenty of other ideas/tips/advice on here your doctor is going to be the best person to provide an explanation and/or options.
#155440 by blackpoolowl
17 Jan 2007, 23:00
i have been to the doctors but he said he would send her for tests but this will be after we go!
i am dreadin the flight .....when we get off the plane she seems ok after about 30 minutes. any advise would be good. i am thinking of maybe getting a vicks stick for her to smell maybe take the smell away.

terry
#155443 by MarkJ
17 Jan 2007, 23:09
I would tell the doctor that this is not acceptable and that the tests need to be carried out before the holiday. Without wishing to be a scaremonger what if something more serious happens as a result of your daughters current problem?

Tell him to pull his bloody finger out!!![:(!]
#155445 by tinau9
17 Jan 2007, 23:14
The same thing whith my nice. try giving her some ginger 30 to 45 mins befor you fly works wonders.
#155448 by HighFlyer
17 Jan 2007, 23:16
Do push the doctors for tests, and refer privately if you can.

My little sister suffers from car sickness (not from air sickness though) and the doctors have no idea why this is. Poor thing has had lots of tests too. When she travels she relies on motion sickness pills, most of which just make her drowsy. The wrist bands seem to work with her for some strange reason though - not sure i understand it myself but they seem to get good reviews and they are no-medicinal, so might be worth investing in some as a precautionary?

Thanks,
Sarah
#155457 by Decker
17 Jan 2007, 23:44
Try Benadryl or Nytol. Though I'll be honest it isn't a healthy symptom to get blue lips/nose.

{Edited by Decker 'cos I'm NOT a Dr :)}
#155493 by vs_itsallgood
18 Jan 2007, 02:05
Another thought to bring up with the doctor:

Ask if it's possible she could be allergic to insecticides. and ask for a patch test if nothing else is found. I've seen this on Australian flights where the plane had been recently disinsected.

Residual insecticides are now the norm for many planes, instead of the live-spray, but some people still say they have a sensitivity to them (I'm one; if a plane's been recently disinsected - 48 hours or so - I try to change my flight to another plane, because I don't get nauseous, I get nosebleeds).

If she gets sick when exterminators are working, that's a big sign this might be the reason. You could call VS and ask what the official policy is on disinsection (and how often, which planes, that sort of thing), but it's been my personal experience it's harder than all get out to get someone (with most carriers, not just VS) to give you that information!

It has to be posted at least once somewhere in the plane (date and insecticide used), if you want to check any information you're given by phone when you board. The location might change with different metal (Boeing/Airbus), so it's best to ask where to find it on each plane.

Good luck, and hopefully your doctor will work with you on this. My best wishes to your daughter that she always has good flights from here on!
#155526 by VS045
18 Jan 2007, 10:02
Bring some menthol with you into the cabin and ask the cabin crew to put some of it into a cup of hot water. You can then use this steam to try and lessen the smell for your daughter.

Even if you don't try this, I'd recommend talking to the crew as you board to let them know about the situation.

VS.
#155653 by Lipstick
18 Jan 2007, 18:57
I have a friend like this - she is always violently sick on landing. Not take off, not turbulance, not mid flight, just landing.

Her doctor can offer no solution but he thinks is may be due to altitude sickness - the change in pressure just upsets her stomach.

As your daughter says it's a smell, maybe it's something she's sensitive to that you can't pick up.

If that was me for a short term method i'd do what you've already thought of - have something else for her to smell! Maybe a fragrance oil on a handkercheif, strong mints, and like someone else suggested ginger.
#155752 by woggledog
18 Jan 2007, 23:00
Originally posted by Lipstick
If that was me for a short term method i'd do what you've already thought of - have something else for her to smell! Maybe a fragrance oil on a handkercheif, strong mints, and like someone else suggested ginger.


I cannot recommend ginger more for flying. It's great, smells good and great for the stomach.
#156065 by Littlejohn
20 Jan 2007, 19:33
There are all sorts of travel sickness remedies out there. As a natural alternative, many people swear by ginger, but many also use 'seabands' with apparently good results. OTC medicines which I have seen good results are avomine and studgeron. However do start the night before travel or you are wasting your time.

However, the blue nose/lips sounds like an oxygen problem to me (Waiting for one of our doctor members to put me right), and a real cause for concern which your GP should take seriously. Does your daughter suffer from flight nerves? In which case she may find her nerves are affecting her breathing (and in fact making her feel sick). A flying with out fear course may be worth considering.

I have heard the smell comments from many affected by sickness. It seems like the sense of smell is heightened when you feel green, although I have no idea why.

As others have said, the symptoms you describe sound very severe. Make the GP take her seriously.
#156079 by jerseyboy
20 Jan 2007, 20:45
Originally posted by jerseyboy
Is it possible that your daughter is suffering from anxiety attacks? Sometimes anxiety can alter the bodyÕs sensory organs including smells and taste. Going blue towards the end of the flight may also be a sign of anxiety as sometimes hyperventilation may occur. Another possibility may be a high volume of red blood cells combined with dehydration thus reducing circulation of blood and oxygen supply. But this would only be evident on the last leg of a long haul flight and is normally accompanied by heavy arms and legs and a mottled purplish rash on arms and legs.

I would avoid any form of sedation as this may complicate matters especially where the cause of the symptoms is unknown.

Another suggestion is as already mentioned by VS_itsallgood is the possibility of allergyÕs.

Speak with your doctor again and express your worries in a more firm way and donÕt be afraid to tell him that you would like testing done before you go away.

I donÕt know if any of the above has been helpful to you and I am only making a few suggestions of what things may cause the type of symptoms described. I do however urge you to seek further medical advice for your peace of mind and the comfort and safety of your daughter.

Hope all goes well for you

Wayne


Added as an important afterthought.

Sometimes with all good faith and intentions people may relate remedies for illnesses/afflictions especially when they recognise one or two familiarities with symptoms they or others may suffer, this is generally fine in straightforward issues such as travel sickness and the likes. However in my honest opinion I would only take medical advice on the issue with your daughter as I feel it is not straightforward air or travel sickness. Often it may also be wise to speak to the airline direct for support and information about flight health issue.

Best of luck and donÕt be afraid to tell you G/P to start testing even if at first it is to eliminate potential problems rather than confirm diagnosis.

Cheers Wayne
#156151 by Krissw
21 Jan 2007, 14:51
I have just been browsing the web about your daughterÕs nasty problem and a few sites I looked at seem to say nutmeg is an answer. But placing half under the tongue of a Nine year old could be a problem in it's self.
But I do agree with Jerseyboy in getting the sickness checked out I wonder how many seasoned flyers still feel icky when they fly, I have never had travel sickness no matter how I have traveled, it cannot be a nice experience.
#156223 by vs_itsallgood
21 Jan 2007, 21:19
Originally posted by blackpoolowl
she said it was because of the aircraft smell.

as soon as we got onto the plane she starts complaing about the smell (presumably its the cabin pressure) then she went very pale and ended up throwing up nearly all the way. her lips & nose turned blue towards the end of the journey.

we have traveled to orlando for the last 5 years but this was the 1st time this has happened

By this time tomorrow, I hope your doctor will have seen reason and start to do something for your daughter. Although I am not a doctor, this seems to be something on the plane itself, since this problem was not apparent on all the flights.

If you can remember, did she mention the smell when you boarded, or after you were at cruising altitude? If when you boarded, the plane was not under pressure, and that rules that out.

I would give VS a call and see if you can track down the specific plane used for last year's flight. Then see if you can get VS to look up maintenance schedules for any work done which would have affected the cabin air (and yes, that includes any disinsection done - and get the date/insecticide if it was done any time in that month). I'd ask for a 7-day maintenance record check prior to your flight; any further back is probably not worth doing. Was a report done on the seats you used during that cycle? Maybe a cleaning crew had to clean/replace seat covers on one of your seats. Could have been a cleaning agent. But you and your doctor won't know until you ask VS.

Give your doctor this information as soon as you get it. Make sure you mention your upcoming flight to the VS person on the phone; you need this information now, not in six months.

If the trigger is an airborne irritant, just placing another smell in front of your child's nose will (quite probably) not do anything; only removing the source of the smell or her from the plane will fix it in most cases. Since this problem went away within 30 minutes of her leaving the plane and has not reoccurred, I would start to seriously question the plane itself, not anxiety or other mental causes! (No offense meant to those who mentioned such, though - we're all trying to help here.)

Wondering how she could complain about a 'smell' which you did not notice? I can smell fresh residual insecticide even when my seatmates can't. I've seen people so alert to odd odors they can spot natural gas leaks long before a detector goes off! Children often have very good noses, as they haven't been dulled by years of chemicals, perfumes, and modern pollution.

If your current doctor does not include homeopathic treatments, it might be very worthwhile to seek out a homeopath - they are by training naturally inclined to search for any and all causes of a complaint, especially odder ones, and may help immensely in this case. I have personally experienced such treatment, and although many in this day and age might scoff at such methods, it's safe and often reliable when all else fails.

Please keep after your doctor to take action before your trip.
#156267 by blackpoolowl
22 Jan 2007, 09:53
hiya folks thx for the advise given
this will be our 6th trip to orlando with virgin and it was only the last trip she was ill. thinking about it she complained about the smell as soon as we go onto the plane so it couldnt be air pressure can it?
we have just recieved a letter today from the nhs who are trying to give me a referal to the hospital for futher tests hopefully before we go away on 2/2. i just hope we can get some news good or bad before we fly. it is spoiling the holiday for us before we even set off!!!!
hears hoping the nhs pull their fingers out

terry
#156317 by mike-smashing
22 Jan 2007, 18:35
Originally posted by blackpoolowl
hiya folks thx for the advise given
this will be our 6th trip to orlando with virgin and it was only the last trip she was ill. thinking about it she complained about the smell as soon as we go onto the plane so it couldnt be air pressure can it?


I've got a fairly sensitive nose too, and I've noticed that each airline (and even different types of plane) seem to have different smells. I notice it wafting up the jetway as I walk down to board.

Does your daughter suffer from any known allergies? I wonder if it could be a cleaning product used on the plane?

A lot of the "environmentally friendly" cleaning products now contain things like highly concentrated fruit acids and extracts. I have a friend who is very sensitive to these sorts of cleaning products.

It could also be the industrial strength deodourisers which are used on the carpets and fabrics.

I would definitely follow-up on the insecticide theory - I'm trying to work out who is best to call in VS. Probably Special Assistance, as they are used to dealing with this sort of thing. If you can give them the flight numbers and dates from last year, they can a) identify if it was the same plane both ways, and b) when the aircraft was last fumigated, and what with.

They might also be able to help work out if there was any changes in cleaning or fumigation regimes, between her last trouble free flight, and the one from last year.

They may also be able to help regarding your upcoming flight.

Thanks,
Mike
#157790 by blackpoolowl
30 Jan 2007, 21:07
hey guys i managed to get my daughter into see the heart consultant today......he was disgusted my other doctor said she could not fly.
good news is he found no reason not to fly & gave her some motion sickness patches to try. so fingers crossed sick free flight here we come on friday!!!!!


thanks for the advise all stocked up with ginger biscuits & sickness patches

terry
#157794 by VS045
30 Jan 2007, 21:20
Thanks for the update - I'm glad your daughter will be able to fly now. I'm sure we'll all have everything crossed for a pleasant flight[y]

VS.
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