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#185494 by Francinek
01 Oct 2007, 20:04
Ian,

I use the verb "lure" exactly as defined by the dictionary..." to tempt to do something or to go somewhere.'' I was indeed tempted by the VS promise that AU members can bring a guest into the CHs. Though the EWR CH is not the nicest, it is still better, by far, than waiting at the gate. We are Americans who relocated to London 7 years ago, leaving behind our families and friends with whom we are very close. This means frequent LHR-EWR return flights. I make one or two more trips a year than does my husband and usually fly at least PE because of joint problems, hence my reaching AU and not my husband. Five flights per year on PE renews AU but three or four in economy does not get my husband to AU. (He may this year because of some other travel, including a flight to Sydney.) So, as you can see, it is important to me to be able to bring my husband into the CH as a guest and a primary reason for me to remain at AU. Sure, I do use the CH when flying alone, but that is only 1 or 2 times out of 5.

I appreciate that there are times when the CH may be at capacity, but I believe the airlines have enough information on hand to predict and plan accordingly. We have made the exact same flight out of EWR at least 15 times, all at holiday times, and this had never happened before. There were times when the CH was bordering on being uncomfortable. Once we couldn't sit together and once where the queue for the buffet was very long. My guess is that the staff/manager would rather turn guests away than have people complain about the service.

Wouldn't you agree that a better way to manage over-crowded conditions would be to plan for it rather than "deal" with it when it happens?

BTW, I am really enjoying reading all of your comments. I didn't realise what I was starting here!

Fran
#185496 by Nottingham Nick
01 Oct 2007, 20:09
Originally posted by Francinek

BTW, I am really enjoying reading all of your comments. I didn't realise what I was starting here!
Fran


Thanks for starting one of the most robust, and interesting debates we have had on here in quite a while. [y] ;)

Nick
#185630 by Ian
02 Oct 2007, 19:11
Originally posted by Francinek
Wouldn't you agree that a better way to manage over-crowded conditions would be to plan for it rather than "deal" with it when it happens?
Fran

Fran,
I understand that you mean "...to plan for it not to occur ..." and unless I'm very much mistaken (wow, that's bound to tempt a retort) that is exactly what happened.
#185633 by Francinek
02 Oct 2007, 20:10
Ian,
You're correct to correct me as my phrasing was horrendous. I should have said that with a little foresight and planning, VS could take more long-term measures to reduce overcrowding and avoid having to resort to disappointing their AUs in denying a service that is promised.
#185673 by manymiles
02 Oct 2007, 23:54
I think getting Gold is too easy on VS, make it harder and much of this problem goes away.
#185696 by PVGSLF
03 Oct 2007, 04:17
Originally posted by manymiles
I think getting Gold is too easy on VS, make it harder and much of this problem goes away.


Wash your mouth out[V] I've enjoyed two years of gold benefit when travelling VS Y, mostly earnt through flying SQ J [:o)].

Ok so I'm probably not Virgin's most lucrative customer, but i've another Upper class flight coming up next month.... Honest![ii]
#185879 by Francinek
04 Oct 2007, 15:48
As promised, here is the relevant portion of the response by VS customer services.

"...As you know, all of our Gold cardholders are able to take a guest into
the Clubhouse and this shouldn't have happened. I've looked at the reports for the day that you travelled (20 September) and I can't see that there were any delays or cancellations that may have led to the lounge being too full. I'm afraid I can only think that the staff on the day may have been unfamiliar with the policy on Gold cardholders bringing guests into the Clubhouse.

I am really sorry that we let you down with this, and I've forwarded your comments to our station manager at Newark so that he can take it up with the staff concerned.

As an apology for what happened, I've added 5000 miles to your account which I hope will go some way towards making up for your disappointment.

Thank you for bringing this to our attention and my apologies again that we
let you down. I do hope that this hasn't put you off travelling with us
again and that next time, you and your husband will be able to relax in the
Clubhouse before you fly.

Kind regards"

(signed by the Executive Assistant to Richard Branson)



What do you think? Will presenting a copy of this letter be sufficient if I should have the same problem again? I asked for a written assurance but she seems to have forgotten or simply ignored my request.

Not 10,000 mile but 5,000 is nice.
#185884 by Decker
04 Oct 2007, 16:08
I'd take that letter as a written assurance Francine - even stronger in fact as it will show the lounge people that any refusal costs the company miles. All in all I'd call that as positive a result as you were likely to get. And it was very expeditious to boot. I can only assume that the US is not outsourced :)
#185889 by Francinek
04 Oct 2007, 16:36
In rereading the response, it seems to me that the first paragraph begs the question...What if there had been delays causing an overcrowded lounge? Would it then have been justified to disallow my guest?
#185890 by Bazz
04 Oct 2007, 16:40
Agree with Decker Francine and I would add, please do carry the letter with you so that should such an unfortunate situation arise again, you have some tangible proof that the policy you espouse is correct.
#185891 by Bazz
04 Oct 2007, 16:42
I think it is more that they were trying to identify a possible reason why local management, wrongly, may have acted in this manner.
#185893 by Francinek
04 Oct 2007, 16:51
I see your point Bazz...not that she would have been justifying it if there were a strong possibility of a large crowd... only looking for a reason why local management would have thought they could take the action they took. You're probably right. Thanks.
#185950 by Ian
05 Oct 2007, 09:57
Originally posted by Francinek
As an apology for what happened, I've added 5000 miles to your account which I hope will go some way towards making up for your disappointment.


How about a nice reply saying that 20,000 miles would go a lot further to make up for the disappointment?
#185955 by Decker
05 Oct 2007, 11:47
Given that VS charge 5,000 Flying Co miles for Clubhouse entry at LHR they're likely to consider that disproportionate.
#185957 by Francinek
05 Oct 2007, 12:24
For those of you who are interested, I replied to Richard Branson's Executive Assistant with a query as to how to handle the situation should it happen again. Here is her response:

Dear Ms Kaufman

I can understand your concern about this.

I would think that the staff at the Clubhouse should be able to check on
our staff intranet site about the rules for Clubhouse access. But to be
absolutely certain, I've emailed our airport manager at Newark again and
asked him to get back to me with an answer to your query. Obviously this
shouldn't have happened but should it do so again, he'd be the best person
to advise on how to deal with it.

as soon as he gets back to me, I'll let you know what he advises.

Kind regards
#185959 by mitchja
05 Oct 2007, 12:35
I can only think that the staff on the day may have been unfamiliar with the policy on Gold cardholders


I believe that is the key statement - it's an all too common problem with VS at the moment, especially at US out-stations and I've experienced this several times with staff not fully understanding what benefits VS AU status gives PAX.

Regards
#185962 by Francinek
05 Oct 2007, 12:44
Do you think that even the manager of the EWR clubhouse with whom I spoke at the time is regular staff or outsourced?
#185966 by Bazz
05 Oct 2007, 13:02
Originally posted by Francinek
Do you think that even the manager of the EWR clubhouse with whom I spoke at the time is regular staff or outsourced?


Head of Station will probably be VAA staff, Clubhouse & Concierge Manager may be outsourced.
#185969 by Decker
05 Oct 2007, 13:10
Gosh you're certainly getting proper responses! Are you mailing UK or US?
#185971 by mitchja
05 Oct 2007, 13:27
Decker

I also got the new style of response from VS UK customer relations - not sure what has happened recently but it's a very refreshing and a much improved change [y] [y]

Regards
#185991 by VS-EWR
05 Oct 2007, 16:13
Yeah, VS seems really considerate in these emails with getting personal and thoughtful responses back to customers.
#185994 by Francinek
05 Oct 2007, 16:23
I have been using the contact customer services link on the UK VS website. I am pleasantly surprised as well by the tone of the responses.
#185995 by Decker
05 Oct 2007, 16:26
Wow - sounds like UK Customer Services are getting their act together!
#185996 by Bazz
05 Oct 2007, 16:37
I believe some of our members and some of the vs staffers on here have been partly responsible for the apparent improvement at VAA Customer Services. You know who you are. [y][:w]
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