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#1457 by silverfox
07 Jun 2004, 16:25
Looking at the small great circle map supplied it looks like we fly over Boston and NY. I would imagine by the time we get over Baltimore its on well on its descent.
Anybody done the route on the RH side can enlighten me?
Thanks
#33195 by Nottingham Nick
07 Jun 2004, 19:49
I think that the exact routing is very much flexible depending on the routing given by air traffic control. I would think there will be quite a few different approaches to IAD, just as there are lots of dfferent routes into LHR.

I would have thought though that, if you are coming in over Baltimore, the plane would have to have lost a fair amount of height by then.

Lst time I went into IAD, it was so cloudy we could have been anywhere:)

Nick
#33291 by mike-smashing
09 Jun 2004, 14:09
The routing is partially dependent on the NAT (North Atlantic Track) system on the day you fly. The NAT system is issued by the Oceanic controllers on a daily basis, taking into account the weather systems in the Atlantic. This allows airlines to plan smooth flights and make use of the lightest headwinds or best tailwinds to keep the flight on time and conserve fuel.

I won't go into a full description of how the NAT system works. Google is your friend :).

Anyway, heading for Washington, this means that on departure from the Heathrow you can generally expect a "Compton" departure, which takes you west of Heathrow, over the Bristol Channel, South Wales, and Eire, to meet a more Southerly NAT track.

If the NAT tracks are more Northerly, you can expect a "BUZAD" (Leighton Buzzard) or "WOBUN" (Woburn) departure, which will head roughly North Westerly from Heathrow, passing to the East of Birmingham, through the East Midlands area, then either continuing North, following the Pennines to Scotland, or turning West, passing over Manchester, the Irish Sea and Northern Ireland.

Coming out of the NAT track usually happens somewhere off the Labrador or Newfoundland coast, and you head South West toward Washington. If the track is quite Southerly, you may route directly overhead Boston. If it's Northerly, you may pass overhead Bangor, Maine, or Albany in upstate NY. Regardless of the NAT tracks, the options eventually funnel together over New Jersey (Sparta VOR beacon), passing to the East of New York, over Pennsylvania, and joining what's called the "DELRO1 arrival" into Dulles.

This arrival passes to the north-west/west of Baltimore (so Baltimore will be out the left hand side), and you will be descending through an altitude of around 11,000ft as you pass west abeam Baltimore itself.

Fire up the map on your flight and you'll see what I mean!

Hope this helps,
Mike
#33315 by silverfox
09 Jun 2004, 19:59
Thanks,
So if there is no cloud we should get a view of NY from the rh
side?
#33352 by mike-smashing
10 Jun 2004, 10:32
quote:Originally posted by silverfox
Thanks,
So if there is no cloud we should get a view of NY from the rh
side?


No, the letf-hand side. You will pass to the East of NY. If the weather is good, you can usually see the Manhattan Skyline.

If you want a good aerial view of NY from 30,000ft, fly IAD-BOS. That usually routes directly over JFK.

Mike
#33356 by csparker
10 Jun 2004, 12:15
Mike,
You clearly know your flight paths (I'm impressed), but is your compass the right way up, or are you flying backwards?

If you are flying south (ish), and pass to the east of New York, then the city is west of the aircraft. If you are facing south, then west is to your right.

Confused...
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