ARGH! I'm not helping the argument HAHA!
No it doesn't confirm it! An uncooked egg contains several kinds of liquid inside it's shell, so it would be removed at security. Thus, the fact that a PC can cook and egg in 4 minutes would prevent no risks to the flight, as there would in fact not be any eggs there. QED
Macbooks actually benefit flight as when it gets a bit chilly on the nighttime return leg, power up the MacBooks on your lap and its like an electric blanket
On a serious note though, its a pain this laptop ban. Bought my MacBook this year knowing I was going away, to keep me entertained on the flight and to do the photos/vid on the way back. Now can't do squat with it on the plane.
On a serious note though, its a pain this laptop ban. Bought my MacBook this year knowing I was going away, to keep me entertained on the flight and to do the photos/vid on the way back. Now can't do squat with it on the plane.
Originally posted by pjhOriginally posted by slinky09
I'd guess the heating element in a kitchen somewhere on a plane burns more often than a laptop battery is likely to, doesn't mean we don't ban coffee and tea on board? Given that most people who use laptops when flying are doing so for work, and probably work in businesses with IT teams who are on top of this situation (after all, their H&S and insurance would demand it) this is a dumb ass inflexible rule.
From a corporate point of view the heating elements in the kitchen will have been serviced by VS (or their appointed contractors). Your laptop won't have been. Presumably VS will unwind the rule when Apple and Dell declare their recall "complete".Originally posted by slinky09
If I can't get around it today will cause me a great deal of aggro - I had planned to do a presentation while flying to deliver in the US to present later this week, without that five hours I'll now lose a night's sleep ... so I feel personally really effed off with it and yes, voting with feet will happen.
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Do you carry more than one battery ? I don't get much more than 90 minutes useful life out of any single Dell battery..
Paul
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Actually a 9cell battery - it gives me about 6 hours use.
Ah - was saving my 1000th post for fun!
Actually on VS45 today they didn't read out the ban and so I did the work! Hurrah or boring.
Oh, and this my first post by Blackberry too ... And it's raining in New York!
Hope it's nicer in blighty?
There's a plane at JFK, to fly you back from far away
all those dark and frantic transatlantic miles
all those dark and frantic transatlantic miles
Originally posted by slinky09
Oh, and this my first post by Blackberry too ... And it's raining in New York!
Hope it's nicer in blighty?
Yep its great here. We are having a bit of an indian summer, with blue skys and 24C pretty much through out the UK today, well at least from lunch time. It appears it will be staying with us right up until Friday, then it will start raining. When do you get back? Hopefully in time to enjoy the last of this glorious weather?
Originally posted by slinky09
And it's raining in New York!
Hope it's nicer in blighty?
I think you will find, looking above, it was not me that bought the subject up. So not guilty, this time:D
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I have just fired-off my email to VS Customer Services expressing my displeasure at what I consider an arbitrary ban. I doubt my promise to withdraw my extremely limited custom will frighten them too much though [:?]
Having read through this thread and considered the points that have been debated (and the links to video of exploding Dell laptops), I'd just point out that the declared "risk" identified by Apple is one of overheating. Presumably, if left unattended (not an issue in an aircraft) the overheating may lead to combustion, but I contend that in the infinitesimally small chance of that situation developing in flight, the user will realise something is wrong looong before there is the slightest danger to the aircraft.
In support of my use of "infinitesimally"; nine instances of overheating Apple batteries have been reported, which contrasts with 1.8 million cells recalled.
One final point if you'll indulge me: It is suggested that cabin crew can't be expected to check serial numbers - which I have to accept (though VizBiz's suggestion of dated stickers issued by ground staff is an intelligent compromise). Surely it isn't so difficult to at least narrow the ban to the effected models (12" iBook & 12" PowerBook) as other carriers have done? That would still penalise the responsible owners who have gone through the recall program though.
Oh well, I'm happier now I've got that off my chest, though may not be so happy next week when en route to BOS without the simple pleasure of my MacBook gently frying my knees... [ii]
Regards to all....
Dave
Having read through this thread and considered the points that have been debated (and the links to video of exploding Dell laptops), I'd just point out that the declared "risk" identified by Apple is one of overheating. Presumably, if left unattended (not an issue in an aircraft) the overheating may lead to combustion, but I contend that in the infinitesimally small chance of that situation developing in flight, the user will realise something is wrong looong before there is the slightest danger to the aircraft.
In support of my use of "infinitesimally"; nine instances of overheating Apple batteries have been reported, which contrasts with 1.8 million cells recalled.
One final point if you'll indulge me: It is suggested that cabin crew can't be expected to check serial numbers - which I have to accept (though VizBiz's suggestion of dated stickers issued by ground staff is an intelligent compromise). Surely it isn't so difficult to at least narrow the ban to the effected models (12" iBook & 12" PowerBook) as other carriers have done? That would still penalise the responsible owners who have gone through the recall program though.
Oh well, I'm happier now I've got that off my chest, though may not be so happy next week when en route to BOS without the simple pleasure of my MacBook gently frying my knees... [ii]
Regards to all....
Dave
Toshiba have now [url=[url=http://blogs.guardian.co.uk/technology/archives/2006/09/19/toshiba_joins_in_sony_battery_recall.html]recalled 350,000[/url] laptops.
I guess VS and others will be adding these to the list.
If this carries on they are going to have to do something to revisit the issue - a blanket laptop ban surely can't stay in force for that long.
I guess VS and others will be adding these to the list.
If this carries on they are going to have to do something to revisit the issue - a blanket laptop ban surely can't stay in force for that long.
Originally posted by fozzyo
Toshiba have now [url=[url=http://blogs.guardian.co.uk/technology/archives/2006/09/19/toshiba_joins_in_sony_battery_recall.html]recalled 350,000[/url] laptops.
I guess VS and others will be adding these to the list.
If this carries on they are going to have to do something to revisit the issue - a blanket laptop ban surely can't stay in force for that long.
If the background stories are true then no airline should need to ban use of these. From the BBC -
"The batteries, used in Toshiba's Dynabook and Dynabook Satellite laptops made between March and May of this year, could lose all their power.
However, unlike Dell and Apple last month, Toshiba said there was no risk of the faulty batteries catching fire."
[:?] I suppose there's a risk of laptop fury as enraged executives hurl their errant machines around the aeroplane as they shut down unexpectedly during their games of Patience...
Paul
We can get better, because we're not dead yet
I've just noticed this: Link
Looks like common sense has finally prevailed.
Edit by mod to shorten link.......... Nick
Looks like common sense has finally prevailed.
Edit by mod to shorten link.......... Nick
On my SFO-LHR flight no one bothered about my MacBook, however I think the ban does make some sense, it should be coupled with a ban on checking any lithium-ion batteries on the hold though.
The fire supression system in the hold can not deal with the extremely hot lithium-ion fire, and any lithium-ion battery has a one in a couple of million chance of exploding (and not only when in use).
Makes the entire concept of the Tesla car rather scary, http://www.teslamotors.com/index.php?js_enabled=1 6000+ lithium-ion batteries!
The fire supression system in the hold can not deal with the extremely hot lithium-ion fire, and any lithium-ion battery has a one in a couple of million chance of exploding (and not only when in use).
Makes the entire concept of the Tesla car rather scary, http://www.teslamotors.com/index.php?js_enabled=1 6000+ lithium-ion batteries!
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