V-Flyer

Article in tonights London evening newspaper:


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Looks like direct action could be targeted at the airline industry - with the added burden of security, it could put a lot of people off.


buns

I suppose none of them have ever flown on an Airplane.
I bet most of them are not even british so I have a have feeling they will have been on an Airplane to get here!

They won't get away with it for long. It's a massive security risk and could take the attention away from other people with bad intentions. They need to look at the whole picture. People like this make my skin crawl. Don't get me wrong I care for the enviroment but there are ways of doing things and they always choose the wrong way.

Oooh - much better idea, let's just scrap air travel completely then everyone's happy.

The world doesn't need it, after all... [ii]



Bloody idiots.

Well, the politics of protest does not need logical reasoning, after all they're highlighting an issue and picking on one small cause of it.

Of course, they should be picketing their own houses which are most likely to be much greater causes of warming. But that would be like lying in bed wouldn't it.

Let then make their protest, it's their right, but the moment they transgress I hope lilly law is swift but fair.

Raising awareness of the eco-effects of air travel is one thing. Compromising the safety of air travel by pissing about with airport security is quite another. Police at UK airports carry guns for a reason, and taking "direct action" in airport terminals is likely to get you in the cross-hairs.

Can't say I'd have an awful lot of sympathy for an 'eco-warrior' who got themselves shot "threatening the boundary" at Heathrow. Equally, buggering up a family holiday (which would have no-doubt been saved for, and been an important date in a family calendar), is hardly going to get the Great British Public on-side.

Block the traffic? Have they not heard the M25 does this everyday?

But Fan-actual-tastic. I fly out of Heathrow all the time and the date I try for a holiday a bunch of hippy's are going to try and stop me! How rude. [:w]

How stupid can you get? This is not the way to draw attention and win support for changes aviation's greenhouse gas emissions, it is potentially highly dangerous both to the protestors and to the passengers and crews.

About a year ago I think I mentioned on here that I could see this coming, it won't be long before we see Eco Terrorists and thugs in Balaclavas smashing up people cars and spray painting peoples properties. These people are just thugs and anarchists and anti globalists using what is perceived to be an important issue to cause trouble...get a job I say.

The majority of people were or are reaching a tipping point hwere they are starting to think prehaps we should start making an effort
towards a problem that we are not sure is entirely proven, these Eco Warriors will just turn decent law abiding people off the whole subject and will have the opposite effect to the one desired, they know it, but they love the trouble.

This could be the alternative view to the eco terrorists
http://www.enviro.aero/Home.aspx

Originally posted by AlanA
This could be the alternative view to the eco terrorists
http://www.enviro.aero/Home.aspx

I support this effort much more than I support the fools "protesting". Preventing airline travel won't help anything because it's impractical. In fact airline travel is actually better because it's mass transit. What aren't good for the environment are the tons of private jets being used for no reason.

I take it that the aim of the protests is to reduce carbon emissions?
So how will these eco warriors plan to offset the extra carbon emissions produced as a result of their actions?

1.All those extra police and no doubt if the situation is serious enough military vehicles puffing out emissions chasing hairy hippies around the airport perimeter and transporting prisoners around the capital once caught.

2. Extra emissions from ground traffic disrupted on the aprons and taxiways if they breach the perimeter.

3. Circling aircraft and diverting traffic if the runways are disrupted.

4. Huge traffic jams in and around the airport and its motorways where vehicles will 5throw out high concentrations of exhaust fumes in to the local atmosphere.

5. Higher power demands for the terminal buildings catering for and dealing with massive amounts of stranded passengers.

6. Hundreds of bus journeys if flights are diverted to other airports and passengers then bussed in to the airport to complete their journeys.

And I am sure I could go on and on.

Sounds like a great plan, not only will it add to the carbon footprint normally created by Heathrow Airport and all the aircraft movements, they will also succeed in P*****G Off thousand of people who have slaved all year for that one flight to their well deserved holiday. Also the massive financial impact on revenue that comes in to the U.K from tourists who would simply choose to fly elsewhere if the campaign was sustained.

And on top of all that they are I assume actually planning to pay for flight and who knows may even board them before they cause their chaos. It seems a bit hypocritical to me. Just imagine Vegetarians turning anarchist killing herds of cows and eating the raw flesh to publicise their beliefs.

Jerseyboy

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buns

I note it was a 'secret meeting' No that secret obviously!!

Mind you, if you want to disrupt Heathrow, just 'breakdown' in the tunnel. Jobs a good un.

Originally posted by buns4vs

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buns

The Beeb managed to capture a VS Jumbo in that pic, as has been said these people will be dealt with severely if they disrupt security.

Originally posted by Darren Wheeler
I note it was a 'secret meeting' No that secret obviously!!

Mind you, if you want to disrupt Heathrow, just 'breakdown' in the tunnel. Jobs a good un.

You'll last about 10 minutes before a rather large truck "helps" you out of the way.

That long? 30 seconds before the bus load behind carries the thing away.

Originally posted by Darren Wheeler
I note it was a 'secret meeting' No that secret obviously!!

Mind you, if you want to disrupt Heathrow, just 'breakdown' in the tunnel. Jobs a good un.

I remember once these two women protestors stopping in the tunnel to cause havoc years ago - first time I was ever late for work. Mind you everyone else was late as well!

There should be no messing about from the police and security forces on this one swift action. You are going to end up with violent square offs between the travelling public and the protestors should they cause hassle in the terminal building. I'm all for everyone becoming more enviromentally aware, but the only thing a protest will cause is mass resentment. The whole focus will be on the security issues caused rather than the greater concern.

I believe BAA is seeking a high court injuction to stop the protest (unsure how this would work) and not heard the current news on this one.

What else is in store for the travelling public - Virgin's possible strike / Security Lines / Weather / now protests - can't wait for my trip through LHR in August it's sounds like i'm in for a hellish day. I've booked an additional two flights after my Aug trip and both I've decided to ditch Virgin for a while so I can give Manchester direct a go. Trying the Emirates MAN to DXB and a BMI to ORD. Love Virgin but HATE LHR, enough to pay higher prices from my local airport.

Originally posted by db1
There should be no messing about from the police and security forces on this one swift action. You are going to end up with violent square offs between the travelling public and the protestors should they cause hassle in the terminal building. I'm all for everyone becoming more enviromentally aware, but the only thing a protest will cause is mass resentment. The whole focus will be on the security issues caused rather than the greater concern.

I believe BAA is seeking a high court injuction to stop the protest (unsure how this would work) and not heard the current news on this one.

What else is in store for the travelling public - Virgin's possible strike / Security Lines / Weather / now protests - can't wait for my trip through LHR in August it's sounds like i'm in for a hellish day. I've booked an additional two flights after my Aug trip and both I've decided to ditch Virgin for a while so I can give Manchester direct a go. Trying the Emirates MAN to DXB and a BMI to ORD. Love Virgin but HATE LHR, enough to pay higher prices from my local airport.

Latest news:

Mayor of London, Ken Livingstone has entered the debate.

buns

buns

I am waiting for the yearly BA strike of some sort. It is time for one, right?

Originally posted by mcmbenjamin
I am waiting for the yearly BA strike of some sort. It is time for one, right?

Ben

the sad fact is that this year there are many disgruntled workers across the whole spectrum of society in the UK at the moment[n][n]

Postal workers are taking action, train people are considering and even the police are not happy at below retail price inflation pay offers.

buns

BAA have just won their injunction. Albeit a "slimmed down" version...

Highly "slimmed down"; so now we will just have to wait and see. [:?][}:)]

Originally posted by buns4vs

Originally posted by mcmbenjamin
I am waiting for the yearly BA strike of some sort. It is time for one, right?

Ben

the sad fact is that this year there are many disgruntled workers across the whole spectrum of society in the UK at the moment[n][n]

Postal workers are taking action, train people are considering and even the police are not happy at below retail price inflation pay offers.

buns

I asked the postman how the strike action was going and what was it they are hoping for, his reply and I quote;

" we arn't really sure, the union is dealing with it
we just stop working when they tell us"

Originally posted by buns4vs
Ben

the sad fact is that this year there are many disgruntled workers across the whole spectrum of society in the UK at the moment[n][n]

Postal workers are taking action, train people are considering and even the police are not happy at below retail price inflation pay offers.

buns

Agreed!

There is one word really that sums up the country, weather and its industries as a whole this Summer...

FARCE