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#253427 by Decker
29 Feb 2008, 15:08
Raised in another thread

'Why DO people needing Special Assistance get boarded first?'.

It would SEEM logical to board them last as they're likely to be the slowest down the jetway etc so they can board while everyone is settling in.

I wonder if an expert on game theory or the like can chip in? PERHAPS as the airport has to provide the special assistance (see the relevant EU docs) they don't want their people hanging around the gate any longer than they have to so they insist airlines allow them to board first to free up their personnel from waiting?

Any other ideas?
#436708 by Nottingham Nick
29 Feb 2008, 15:22
I hadn't thought about it before, but that makes sense. When the plane arrives, those requiring special assistance are asked to remain seated until the rest of the pax have disembarked, so that approach would achieve consistency.

It is always notable that there are far fewer people requiring this assistance getting off, than there are at boarding times. [;)]

It also begs the question that was raised in the other thread; Why do people want to get on first?

You have a reserved seat and, certainly on US flights, there is very little problem with overhead luggage space; so, what is the attraction of getting on first?

Nick
#436709 by HighFlyer
29 Feb 2008, 15:22
Indeed. I have always thought the same - and equally wondered why those with special assistance are not boarded towards the back of the aircraft so that the majority of other passengers can get on and off quicker?

Thanks,
Sarah
#436711 by mas66
29 Feb 2008, 15:23
Originally posted by Decker
Raised in another thread

'Why DO people needing Special Assistance get boarded first?'.

It would SEEM logical to board them last as they're likely to be the slowest down the jetway etc so they can board while everyone is settling in.

I wonder if an expert on game theory or the like can chip in? PERHAPS as the airport has to provide the special assistance (see the relevant EU docs) they don't want their people hanging around the gate any longer than they have to so they insist airlines allow them to board first to free up their personnel from waiting?

Any other ideas?


Im far from an expert (but seem to have a lot to say for myself on the subject of boarding - maybe 'cos I'm bored in India !! [8D] )

I guess (and it is only a guess) that special assistance can take many forms and I would suppose that a lot of the time its easier to manouvre a chair (sometimes on board) or the like while the aircraft is relatively empty. I have to say that some PAX stretch the need for assistance a little too far IMHO, but thats another story.

Cheers

Mark [:D]
#436712 by Neil
29 Feb 2008, 15:31
Could it be something to do with respect for the special assistance pax?. I imagine that it is not the nicest of things to be gawped at by 300 odd pax as you are lifted from say your wheelchair into a seat. Also I imagine it is easier to make the special assistance pax comfortable in an empty cabin rather than a full one.
#436713 by Nottingham Nick
29 Feb 2008, 15:44
Originally posted by Neil
Could it be something to do with respect for the special assistance pax?.



That is a good point. I suppose the thing to do is draw the distinction with those who genuinely need the special assistance, and deserve respect; and those who dive to the gate because one of their party is under 25, or over 45, thereby creating the unseemly scrum. [:D]

Nick
#436714 by Darren Wheeler
29 Feb 2008, 15:45
Originally posted by Nottingham Nick

It is always notable that there are far fewer people requiring this assistance getting off, than there are at boarding times. [;)]

Nick


It's a well documented fact that 36,000' miracles do indeed happen. In the same way airport wheelchairs can cure all ailments after only a few minutes sat in one [;)] [:D]
#436715 by RichardMannion
29 Feb 2008, 15:53
Originally posted by Neil
Could it be something to do with respect for the special assistance pax?. I imagine that it is not the nicest of things to be gawped at by 300 odd pax as you are lifted from say your wheelchair into a seat. Also I imagine it is easier to make the special assistance pax comfortable in an empty cabin rather than a full one.


What are you talking about? The cattle are too busy fiddling with the IFE, looking through their amenity kit or asking for alcohol by that point.

And Darren, genius. Love it. I think we have all witnessed the Lourdes Airbridge, where people are wheeled to the gate and then walk to the sit down the back.
#436789 by Kraken
29 Feb 2008, 22:43
On my last MCO trip, there were more than a few special assistance passengers pre-boarded on the quiet [no pre-boarding call made, just the gate staff wandering round looking for them] at Manchester. Quite a few of these passengers were sat in the mini PE & Economy cabins between the UC cabin & door L2.

On arrival at MCO the normal arrivals speech was made over the PA, asking people who required assistance to remain seated until other passengers had left the aircraft. When the crew held back the main Y cabin for UC pax to disambark first, were the special assistance passengers still in their seats as we passed them? Were they hell - we passed them in the terminal as we were making a brisk walk towards immigration!

I'm actually with Ryanair on this one - board the people who genuinely need additional time [such as those with disabilities / special needs] first (& these people will generally have been in touch with the airlines special assistance team beforehand anyway), then board everyone else together. Now that FR charge for priority boarding, it has stopped the circus that used to ensue when they asked for those travelling with 'children' to pre-board. A child was clearly anything under 16 in most peoples minds.

As to the Lourdes Airbridge - I love that description, it really sums it all up. Either that or some of the food that VS are serving in the mini PE / Y cabin on their MCO routes has unusual healing qualities, which I somehow doubt!

James
#436790 by avalon
29 Feb 2008, 22:46
I was once in the company of a rather large lady who apart from being grossly obese was not in the least disabled, who proudly announced that she ALWAYS asked for a wheelchair at check-in as she had a bad back and could not walk very far. She said that it avoided queuing and was much easier. She also said that she does the same the other end to get through immigration quicker. She then went on to say the only way to 'do Disney' was in a wheelchair as you never had to queue. My husband had to hold me back before I exploded as I know from my late father, how hard life really is when you are confined to a wheelchair as he was after he had his first stroke. He found flying very hard but loved to travel and while he could, he did. And yes he was boarded first and needed the extra space whilst he manoeuvred himself from his wheelchair into his seat. He also embarked last for the same reason. He was never cured in the air!
#436793 by RichardMannion
29 Feb 2008, 23:04
Originally posted by avalon
I was once in the company of a rather large lady who apart from being grossly obese was not in the least disabled, who proudly announced that she ALWAYS asked for a wheelchair at check-in as she had a bad back and could not walk very far. She said that it avoided queuing and was much easier. She also said that she does the same the other end to get through immigration quicker. She then went on to say the only way to 'do Disney' was in a wheelchair as you never had to queue. My husband had to hold me back before I exploded as I know from my late father, how hard life really is when you are confined to a wheelchair as he was after he had his first stroke. He found flying very hard but loved to travel and while he could, he did. And yes he was boarded first and needed the extra space whilst he manoeuvred himself from his wheelchair into his seat. He also embarked last for the same reason. He was never cured in the air!


That's understandable - I sympathise with your father who genuinely needed the service. It's the people like the 'large' lady that take the piss and spoil it for those that do have a genuine reason. If I encountered some piss taker like her, I would be compelled to humiliate them.

Like the woman I saw asking to use PE check-in as she had a bad back and didn't want to queue in the Economy line.
#436929 by NS
02 Mar 2008, 21:47
I'm taking my sister to Dubai in October, and will be asking for a buggy / wheelchair to the gate from the CH.

She suffers from MS, is able bodied, an orange badge holder meerly on the basis that her walking / general stamina is very low. I have no worries for arrival at DXB due to the bussing to the terminal followed by very little walking through immigration and baggage reclaim to the CDC.

We flew to CPT with BA on 2003 and they were very helpful, understanding the circumstances 100% - am I likely to have the same experience with VS?
#436933 by Darren Wheeler
02 Mar 2008, 22:28
NS. Give Special Assistance a call (if you haven't already) and explain your circumstances to them. Hopefully they can give you a run through of what they do at DXB and hopefully reassure you.
#436939 by NS
02 Mar 2008, 22:52
Thanks Darren.

It's more the LHR end that concerns me as the walk to most gates is significant enough to become problematic.

How far in advance should I speak with VS Special Assistance?
#436940 by Nottingham Nick
02 Mar 2008, 23:02
Originally posted by NS

How far in advance should I speak with VS Special Assistance?


I would say the sooner the better - get your request logged early.

I have only had one (very good) experience of Special Assistance, and have to say that they are one department of the Virgin machine that I have never seen a bad word about on these boards, and there has been plenty of praise for them over the years.

Nick
#436941 by vs_itsallgood
02 Mar 2008, 23:10
Okay, I can answer some of this. Why do Special Assistance pax get boarded first? It's easier. The plane is empty, there are no other pax watching (yes, sometimes things happen which can cause embarrassment to the disabled person), and the crew is paying attention to ONLY the Special Assistance pax boarding (unless they started boarding them during the preflight checks).

Asking them to board last is not an option; if you'd ever moved through those narrow aisles in a wheelchair you'd know why. There is minimum clearance, and any elbow or knee in the aisle would have serious damage incurred as the chair rolled by.

Some disabled pax have no balance, and need strapped in to stay upright. America West, years ago, dumped an unlucky pax on the floor while doing a transfer, simply because they didn't strap her in as they went to her seat. (They actually hired her to give classes to f/a's so they'd know how to move disabled pax PROPERLY.) Can you imagine being strapped in and moved onto a plane in full view of the general public, many of which have no idea what a disabled person goes through? Can you imagine the hurtful comments made?

I don't have to. My father was in a wheelchair for years, and flew. Some of the things he heard still can bring me to tears if I think about them. Then again, some of the things I've heard aimed at me can do the same as well.

Once I asked for preboarding and was made to feel foolish for doing so. I didn't 'look' disabled enough. Later on the flight the crew found out why. I'd gone walkabout to the rear of the plane to get my legs moving, and someone bumped into me while I waited for one of the rear lavatories. Because I have no balance when hit from behind, I went down face-first into the aisle. Lesson the crew learned: some disabilities are 'invisible' ones. You can't see them just by looking; they most certainly still exist. Not everyone who is actually disabled uses a cane, crutches, wheelchair, or scooter. We also don't tell everyone what is actually wrong with us - it's personal, can be embarrassing, and is between us and our doctor(s).

If asked, I will mention the minimum necessary to inform the crew, but the law states I don't have to - it's a privacy issue. Rest assured, there is a card on my person with medical contact information, lists of the prescriptions I use, next-of-kin info, and other phone numbers if they're ever needed. I pray they never are. So far they haven't, but then again, I won't travel if I'm not fit to fly.

You know, I'm not defending people who abuse the system, but I myself am overweight, and yes, I do have three disabilities which fully qualify me for my permanent disability plates and ID in my wallet. You'd be surprised how many people think I'm asking for help 'just because' I'm fat. I wish that were the case. I can always diet, but no amount of making myself a size 2 will cure what ails me.

Not to make a thing about it, but the next time you see an overweight person getting on the plane ahead of you, please be kind. Of course, if you later hear them making comments as did avalon in FL, you may say whatever you like to them - people like that woman make my life unusually more difficult! If I'd been there, trust me, you'd have been able to hear me from MARS. [:(!]
#437519 by musicmanbrain
09 Mar 2008, 17:20
In terms of 'doing Disney' better in a wheelchair - last time i was there, I got the giggles with the huge american familes who seemed to operate a 'rent-a-chair' system for rides. The whole thing became considerably funnier when the ride operators made them wait in line and then told them at the ride entrance that they were too big to go on the ride due to weight resitrictions. If someone is genuinely in need, then I am first in line to help - but if they are faking it - then im first in line to laugh!
#437547 by jerseyboy
09 Mar 2008, 22:37
Sounds like a touch of poetic justice[:D][}:)]

Jerseyboy

Originally posted by musicmanbrain
In terms of 'doing Disney' better in a wheelchair - last time i was there, I got the giggles with the huge american familes who seemed to operate a 'rent-a-chair' system for rides. The whole thing became considerably funnier when the ride operators made them wait in line and then told them at the ride entrance that they were too big to go on the ride due to weight resitrictions. If someone is genuinely in need, then I am first in line to help - but if they are faking it - then im first in line to laugh!
#437595 by clarkeysntfc
10 Mar 2008, 13:58
Back in my student days (when I would probably have done anything to pay off the overdraft!) I worked summers at a kids theme park in MK and we quite routinely had to refuse passengers rides because they were too fat for the harnesses to do up properly. I've never had to bite my lip to stop myself laughing so much! They even used to demand refunds sometimes!!
#437613 by FamilyMan
10 Mar 2008, 16:27
My first job out of school was working for Special Services with PAN AM in LHR T3. Part of our duties involved taking passengers in wheelchairs to the gate. Pan Am used to use gates 23, 25, 27 and 29 so they were not the furthest in the world - although some of the extensions were not there then. However, although not all of them needed assistance getting on board I cannot think of a single passenger who was not worthy of the chair to get them to the gate in the first place. Since then it has never even occurred to that such passengers should not be allowed to board first while the plane is empty - starting with those that need assistance.

Families is another matter though - in most cases I can never really understand why a family would want to board first - the less time on the aircraft the better from where I stand. The only thing that used to make me want to get on early is the thought that all the overhead storage would be taken by passengers who didn't want to wait 10 minutes to collect their bags at the other end. Thankfully, with the new regulations, this seems to be largely a fear of the past.

Why are people so keen to pile on anyway - it is unlikely to get you to your destination any faster.

FM
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