V-Flyer

Posted: **18 Nov 2008, 13:03**

Just for a little fun, can anyone name all the airlines associated with SRB and if he has a controlling interest in them ?

Virgin Atlantic 51%
Virgin America ?
V Australia ?
Virgin Blue ?
Virgin Nigeria ?

any more ?

and to make it even more difficult - what planes do they fly.

Have fun [:D]

David

Posted: **18 Nov 2008, 13:05**

just to clarify, are you saying the virgin groups holdings or SRB's personal holdings ?

Posted: **18 Nov 2008, 13:08**

Originally posted by Scrooge
just to clarify, are you saying the virgin groups holdings or SRB's personal holdings ?

[:?] lets start with the Virgin Group [:D]

David

Posted: **18 Nov 2008, 15:09**

thanks, they are at least a little transparent, I will post what I have when I get home.

Posted: **18 Nov 2008, 15:16**

Originally posted by Scrooge
thanks, they are at least a little transparent, I will post what I have when I get home.

[y]

It's the Australian ones that always confuse me Virgin Blue, Pacific Blue, V Australia ... [?]

David

Posted: **18 Nov 2008, 16:28**

AirAsia X is also affiliated with Virgin Group, as they hold a 16% stake in the airline.

Posted: **18 Nov 2008, 17:39**

Originally posted by David

It's the Australian ones that always confuse me Virgin Blue, Pacific Blue, V Australia ...

The Virgin name can only be used by Virgin blue and it cannot be used outside of Australia due to a written agreement between Virgin atlantic and virgin blue, it is also part of Virgin blue group not just the Virgin group.

The other airlines i.e pacific blue and V Australia are part of the virgin blue group so they are not allowed to use the Virgin name.

Posted: **18 Nov 2008, 17:50**

Originally posted by virgin crazy
Originally posted by David

It's the Australian ones that always confuse me Virgin Blue, Pacific Blue, V Australia ...

The Virgin name can only be used by Virgin blue and it cannot be used outside of Australia due to a written agreement between Virgin atlantic and virgin blue, it is also part of Virgin blue group not just the Virgin group.

The other airlines i.e pacific blue and V Australia are part of the virgin blue group so they are not allowed to use the Virgin name.

[?][?]

So who controls the Virgin Blue Group - is it Virgin or is the name just licensed and someone else controls the VB Group

David

Posted: **18 Nov 2008, 18:40**

The name is licensed, originally to a firm called partick.
I know that it has changed hands at least once.
A firm called Toll holdings bought patrick so it held a majority stake but sold it earlier this year so im not quite sure who it is licensed to, but the CEO is Bret Godfrey.

Im not an expert on Virgin blue im just reading Wiki.[:D]

Posted: **18 Nov 2008, 20:02**

Are you discounting V Galactic because it claims to be a Spaceline?
At least it does have an aircraft - White Knight Two!

Posted: **19 Nov 2008, 05:05**

Ownership

Virgin America = VAI Partners LLC 75 % Virgin Group 25%
Virgin Nigeria = VA 49% Various Nigerian investment groups 51%
Virgin Blue et al already discussed

Fleets

Virgin Atlantic 6 x 343 19 x 346 13 x 744

Virgin America 7 x 319 16 x 320

Virgin Blue 737-700 x 22 737-800 x 27 ERJ-170 X 5 ERJ-190 X 10

Virgin Nigeria 737-300 x 5 763 x 2 ERJ-190 1 FK 50 x 1

V Australia has a 773 waiting for delivery

Posted: **19 Nov 2008, 09:26**

Originally posted by Scrooge

Fleets

Virgin Atlantic 6 x 343 19 x 346 13 x 744

Virgin America 7 x 319 16 x 320

Virgin Blue 737-700 x 22 737-800 x 27 ERJ-170 X 5 ERJ-190 X 10

Virgin Nigeria 737-300 x 5 763 x 2 ERJ-190 1 FK 50 x 1

V Australia has a 773 waiting for delivery

wow - thanks Scrooge

Virgin Blue have got some fleet - 64 planes in just a few years, and didn't realise that VA had as many airbus.

130+ planes painted in 'virgin' colours - not a bad little collection

thanks again

David

Posted: **19 Nov 2008, 10:28**

Originally posted by Scrooge
V Australia has a 773 waiting for delivery

Hasn't it been delivered ... it's certainly painted, see here.

Posted: **19 Nov 2008, 14:09**

Apparently Virgin Blue can't use the virgin name in some circumstances because it would upset SQ

Posted: **19 Nov 2008, 14:14**

Originally posted by virgin crazy
Originally posted by David

It's the Australian ones that always confuse me Virgin Blue, Pacific Blue, V Australia ...

The Virgin name can only be used by Virgin blue and it cannot be used outside of Australia due to a written agreement between Virgin atlantic and virgin blue, it is also part of Virgin blue group not just the Virgin group.

Actually the written agreement is between Virgin Atlantic and Singapore Airlines I think

The other airlines i.e pacific blue and V Australia are part of the virgin blue group so they are not allowed to use the Virgin name.

Posted: **19 Nov 2008, 15:40**

Originally posted by slinky09
Originally posted by Scrooge
V Australia has a 773 waiting for delivery

Hasn't it been delivered ... it's certainly painted, see here.

The last I heard it was still waiting for galley equipment.

Posted: **24 Nov 2008, 21:38**

Virgin America only has this weird arrangement of 25% Virgin Group, 75% VAI partners because the US government is protectionist and allows foreign entities to only own 25% of a US airline. When Virgin America started up, there was a long palaver about the CEO, who had to step down after Virgin America started flying, because he was, according to the DoT (and the incumbent airlines), 'under the influence of Virgin Group' (and they argued that it would give Virgin Group more than 25% of influence on Virgin America). Which was complete bollocks, but hey, whatcha gonna do. Other conditions were the dropping of the requirement to have the Virgin logo on the tail (so Virgin America can drop it if they want to, but they won't), and the loss of a board seat.

V Australia is called such so as to not clash with any trademarks and license agreements, since, as someone else pointed out, SQ has the rights to the Virgin name on international routes (through VS). V Oz would be flying from Oz to the US and in the future to South Africa and other Asian destinations, competing with the VA trademark.

Pacific Blue is called such because of the same agreement. SQ vetoed the use of the Virgin name by the airline (started up by Virgin Blue), since it does serve multiple Pacific destinations and is as such an international airline. Virgin Blue is primarily domestic and does not clash with SQ license agreements.

:-)

S.

Posted: **22 Dec 2008, 02:40**

If SQ sells its stake in VS, do you think V Australia and Pacific Blue will be rebranded 'Virgin'?

What are the potential Oz branding changes if the SQ's stake is sold?

V-Flyer

'"Virgin' Airlines"

'"Virgin' Airlines"