V-Flyer

I was wondering how much do you guys earn, per flight, per year?


Thanks

If you check out This siteit will give you the average pilot's salary.

Cheers

Phil

One answer to the question of how much pilots earn is, "not as much as they used to!" (relatively speaking). They used to earn a premium to reflect the disruption to their lifestyles, including time away from home, no control over annual leave, missing important family events, being away for Christmas etc etc. The premium has been eroded over the years, but I guess that is what the market will bear.

Don't give up your day jobs everyone!

E

My basic each month before tax is 1142. That does not include commision etc. On average I bring home £900 as a senior crew member

crew that work in Y earn less.

Originally posted by virgin is the best
My basic each month before tax is 1942. That does not include commision etc. On average I bring home £900 as a senior crew member

You lose ~£1000 in deductions each month? How's that when you don't hit the higher rate tax bracket?

Cheers

Michael

Originally posted by virgin is the best
My basic each month before tax is 1942. That does not include commision etc. On average I bring home £900 as a senior crew member

crew that work in Y earn less.

I don't understand the maths either - according to vscss in this thread, a CSS earns £1,404 per month (£16,850 p.a.) Do senior cabin crew really earn £23,304 p.a. (ie: £6.5k more than the CSS')?

To clear up any confusion here is the actual figures each rank of cabin crew earn:

Current basic salary before tax:

Junior cabin crew £10,821
Senior cabin crew £12,837
Inflight beauty therapist £13,521
Cabin service supervisor £16,850
Flight service manager £21,200

Each crew member also receive trip pay for each return sector (e.g LHR-JFK-LHR) which is £26.78 before tax. This is regardless of flight duration or destination.

We each also receive subsistence allowances which are normally paid in local currency when we get to our crew hotels, they are all tax free. They vary depending on length of lay over and cost of meals at that particular hotel (e.g.)

VS15 LGW-MCO 1 night $144
VS45 LHR-JFK 1 night $245
VS19 LHR-SFO 2 night $348
VS07 LHR-LAX 2 night $284

So as you can see this does vary depending on above factors.
The pilots receive the same trip pay and allowances as the cabin crew, however I do not know their basic salary!

We do on average 5 return sectors per month so that normally gives us £133.90 trip pay before tax and say roughly £500 in allowances which are cash in hand tax free, but remember we use this money to survive while down route!
Hope this clears up any confusion!!
VSCSS

Whatever it is it's not enough - you guys are incredibly professional, give great service, and for me I feel especially grateful to put my life in your hands.

It is a shame that we as a society value people in odd ways - look at how we reward nurses.

I just hope all the crew on here appreciate that we pax are thankful for the service (yes and the emergency training). But many of us also run businesses and know the pressures of returning a profit - it's a tough world and we don't always get to do what we want to do.

Thanks for that VSCSS. One query, I thought CSS was the new name for FSM. What is the difference between the two roles then? There is quite a jump from SCC -> CSS -> FSM.

Does anyone know what percentage of crew work part-time? The last few flights we have done I always seemed to talk to crew who only worked part-time, including one FSM.

Foz xx

Originally posted by fozzyo
One query, I thought CSS was the new name for FSM. What is the difference between the two roles then? There is quite a jump from SCC -> CSS -> FSM.

Does anyone know what percentage of crew work part-time?

Hi,
No CSS - Cabin Service Supervisor is the new name, it used to be Purser. There are 2 onboard 1 in charge is J and 1 in charge of Y/W, we decide on the day who works where.
FSM - Flight Service Manager used to be Inflight Supervisor, there is only 1 onboard usually wearing a black/grey shirt. They are in charge of security and safety.
Seniors work in J. Juniors work in W/Y.

The % of part time crew is very small, virgin does not like it as not profitable enough. Lots of crew want part time, but the only way to get it is to get pregnant!!

Thanks for that VSCSS ... thats where I was confused Inflight Supervisor.

Foz xx

Originally posted by virgin is the best
My basic each month before tax is 1142. That does not include commision etc. On average I bring home £900 as a senior crew member

crew that work in Y earn less.

My typing error I stand corrected

Originally posted by slinky09
Whatever it is it's not enough - you guys are incredibly professional, give great service, and for me I feel especially grateful to put my life in your hands.

Well lets hope VS management take the same view as you on the matter of pay!

Originally posted by vscss
To clear up any confusion here is the actual figures each rank of cabin crew earn:

Current basic salary before tax:

Junior cabin crew £10,821
Senior cabin crew £12,837
Inflight beauty therapist £13,521
Cabin service supervisor £16,850
Flight service manager £21,200

Each crew member also receive trip pay for each return sector (e.g LHR-JFK-LHR) which is £26.78 before tax. This is regardless of flight duration or destination.

We each also receive subsistence allowances which are normally paid in local currency when we get to our crew hotels, they are all tax free. They vary depending on length of lay over and cost of meals at that particular hotel (e.g.)

VS15 LGW-MCO 1 night $144
VS45 LHR-JFK 1 night $245
VS19 LHR-SFO 2 night $348
VS07 LHR-LAX 2 night $284

So as you can see this does vary depending on above factors.
The pilots receive the same trip pay and allowances as the cabin crew, however I do not know their basic salary!

We do on average 5 return sectors per month so that normally gives us £133.90 trip pay before tax and say roughly £500 in allowances which are cash in hand tax free, but remember we use this money to survive while down route!
Hope this clears up any confusion!!
VSCSS

I didn't realise it was that low. [:0]
Thanks for the facts

I don't mean to be beastly, but what you're saying is that on average junior cabin crew earn £18,427 p.a. with the trip pay plus subsistence (and nearly £11k of that is tax free with personal allowance and overseas allowances). We all have to subsist whether we're at home or away but presume what you are saying is that you get accommodation but no meals when on stopovers?

Now I do think this is low, that you bear great responsibilities and in my experience are fantastically professional and give service second to none. So you guys and gals must be motivated by more than the money. How does it compare to BA?

Feels strange to be discussing salaries here, but may I ask, do you get any other benefits like pension, health insurance or other too?

Originally posted by slinky09
I don't mean to be beastly, but what you're saying is that on average junior cabin crew earn £18,427 p.a. with the trip pay plus subsistence (and nearly £11k of that is tax free with personal allowance and overseas allowances). We all have to subsist whether we're at home or away but presume what you are saying is that you get accommodation but no meals when on stopovers?

No - "subsistence allowances" are for exactly that - eating, drinking, etc.

The hotel accomodation is paid for by the airline, and those amounts in local currency are on top of that. So, effectively, $174 per night as pocket money on a trip to SFO...!