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#29088 by Pete
14 Apr 2004, 00:17
Yeah, it's kicked off one of the ugliest xenophobic arguments over on A.net. Sometimes I wonder why I like the USA so much when certain numbers of them can be so anti-European (the very idea that Branson should be allowed to enter the USA and take their jobs!.. methinks they're missing the point, but nevertheless the underlying hatred of anything non-American is quite scary).

Pix
#29089 by jonathan020
14 Apr 2004, 00:35
Yeah I agree. I love America and the American people but at times I find it very hard to defend them!
#29104 by AlanA
14 Apr 2004, 11:17
quote:Originally posted by pixuk
Yeah, it's kicked off one of the ugliest xenophobic arguments over on A.net. Sometimes I wonder why I like the USA so much when certain numbers of them can be so anti-European (the very idea that Branson should be allowed to enter the USA and take their jobs!.. methinks they're missing the point, but nevertheless the underlying hatred of anything non-American is quite scary).

Pix


Oh dear! for the first time I am going to disagree with you Pix [:(]
If we as Britons had more of the US attitude to home produced goods, we would not be going down the road of being a second class manufacturing base.
All those who buy, for example German and japanes cars produced outside the UK and then whine when their jobs are exported to other countries are the reason why we are in the state we are.
If you buy British produced goods, then money and jobs stay in this country.
If people buy products because of their price from outside the UK, the money and jobs are in that country, not the UK.
Most other European countries understand this, but we do not.
Good luck to the US trying to keep money and jobs in their economy
#29107 by Pete
14 Apr 2004, 12:56
Hi Alan,

Don't disagree with you (although we should be careful were that line between a free market and outright protectionism is drawn - yes it should be drawn, but not too far on either side). I buy products based on their quality for the task in hand, and if that means they're British, all the better. My furniture is British, my telly is Japanese. We make great furniture but we make crap tellies.

I kind of wanted to avoid going into this detail, since it's turning over old ground from A.net, but since you asked ;)

Virgin USA going into the US is not going to take American jobs away - as a domestic airline, the rank & file will have to be American citizens to work there (it's in the US, afterall). And, because of the regulations surrounding airline ownership in the US, it will be majority owned by Americans - Branson is legally restricted to have a minority interest in it. He no-doubt will exercise a fair bit of influence over the direction of the company, but it is, at the end of the day, an American company, paying American taxes with American employees.

However, some of the A.net posts have completely ignored these facts, and just gone for the jugular. A lot seem to think Branson will put legacy airlines out of business. Hmmm? Well, that's kind of what JetBlue & Southwest are doing already, and that's capitalism. The situation would be no different if Branson were American, and propping up a failing airline artificially isn't in the interests of the consumer, the employee and ultimately the taxpayer.

Pix
#29112 by AlanA
14 Apr 2004, 14:31
PixUk,
yes you are right. However, regarding "JAPANESE" tellys, if you have a Toshiba, its probably built in the west country :D I went for a Philips
#30388 by RadioactiveMan
27 Apr 2004, 17:02
Gotta say, as an American, I'm pretty excited about VirginUSA. My hope is that they bring some of Virgin's style and flair to VirginUSA.

I've gotta admit I'm a little bummed that they may use Airbus aircraft over Boeing aircraft.

And honestly I'd love it if VirginUSA was really successful and put Southwest out of business!
#30908 by TJ
04 May 2004, 14:02
that article also says that the final decision on where Virgin USA will be based will be made soon.

However, it says the choices are either New York or San Francisco? I didn't think New York was in the running??
#32872 by Blythy
03 Jun 2004, 01:44
virgin has close ties to new york at jfk and newark.

Newark might be an option, apparently on A.net, the port authority is investing money in newark.

JFK is currently one of jetblue's stomping grounds at the moment, and branson maybe able to undercut jetblue there, this may even lead to a specific virgin only terminal at JFK, like jetblue currently have, which might be good as branson may buy a couple 763s and fly to the regional airports like NCL/MAN/Edinburgh/birmingham/the big regional airport in the west country....[8)]

although a virgin only terminal may lead to a severe drop in the number of customers at JFK for VS...
#32888 by Buffers
03 Jun 2004, 09:09
In the old Airbus vs Boeing debate, it's always been economics which prevail. As a commercial entity, VS are going to opt for the best deal. It's just common sense.

I couldn't find the topic, but I'm sure somebody flagged up a while ago the possibility of VS acquiring some 777's to soak up demand while the A380 situation is resolved...

Cheers

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