V-Flyer

Hey folks!

Anyone here ever been on a VS flight that followed the Parkway Visual/VOR-DME approach to JFK's 13L/R??? That is some manoeuvering by the pilots thats for sure! I reckon its comparable to that of the old Hong Kong checkerboard approach - I miss the pictures of VS classics doing that! Any other VS destinations with interesting approaches? I guess some of the Caribbean destinations require a circling/visual approach sometimes. Always fun in a Boeing 747!

Cheers, Rob

PS - If you had no idea what I was going on about there, Im sorry - Im kinda testing the water on technical posts here

Hi Rob,

I presume you're refering to this one?


Hmm... I've seen more complex ones on paper.[:?] (Although having not been on a flight using it myself, I don't know what the picture out the window looks like...)

Yup thats the kiddie! There are a few videos of it over on http://www.flightlevel350.com in Boeing 747's from a passenger perspective.

And from the flightdeck, theres this one: http://www.pilotlist.org/dispo/appr3/jfk_long.mpg

Looks fun!
Rob

Originally posted by rm2242
And from the flightdeck, theres this one: http://www.pilotlist.org/dispo/appr3/jfk_long.mpg

Hmm. Not sure it's dramatic enough to justify the music choice on that one...

Agreed, it's pretty cool. I'd still rather sit on the left hand side of a Golden Gate Four arrival on a sunny day, or the right hand side of a San Francisco Eight from 28L/R at night for the view... [y]

Ya, the music is somewhat over the top. I was unlucky enough to be on the right hand side of the Golden Gate 4 a few yrs back, missing out on the view. On the fip side, I did get the right hand side for the downwind/base leg views however the damn Bay Area fog put a damper on it! [:(!]

In fact, the VOR/GPS 13L/13R is probably more nailbiting for the flight deck, as this procedure would be used to break cloud, before continuing visually.

The procedure requires the aircraft to have broken cloud and have visual reference to the surface and the lead-in lighting system by the "DMYHL" point, or a go-around is mandatory.

You drop out of the soup, get about 15 seconds to get your bearings by looking out of the window, before making the decision to continue the approach! [8D]

At least with the pure visual approach, you're visual for a greater amount of time before having to make the turn to final.

Mike

I certainly would rather usethe GPS for the VOR/GPS 13L/13R

If you are interested in the various types of approaches and other IFR fun stuff, take a look at the Instrument Procedures Handbook (IPH). It is free an pretty clear.

For all the pilots out there, do you prefer Jepps or the NACO charts?

Benjamin

Hi,

I was lucky enough to get a jump seat for the arrival into Madeira on a Monarch A320 before 911, and before they extended the runway. Now that is an exciting approach. Shame that those days are gone.

Neil.

Initiating a.net mode......

What was all that music about?!

I flew in the jumpset into Kefelonia last month. Circle approach at 600feet totally manual and visually with CB activity closing in. Now THAT was interesting! [y]

Done a Kefalonia approach myself. That was interesting because you have to pass over the field at about 10,000ft i think (cant be bothered to check the chart!) before heading out and turning back in for a northerly approach. But descending that much on an outbound cannot be done efficiently and most airliners do a descending 360 to the right, then turn back left to line up on final. That was fun! With a shortish runway (~8000ft) and cliffs/sea on both ends, that was some breaking the MyTravel 767 did!!!

I've done the SXM DME arc many times, and never get tired of it. Gotta be one of the best, I've never flown into SXM on a 747 though, that would be cool!...I think [:0][:p]

Originally posted by mcmbenjamin
For all the pilots out there, do you prefer Jepps or the NACO charts?

You know my answer - my toilet roll is better quality paper than the NACO chart pack is printed on...

back to the question asked.

The aprroach into the old HKG airport was way worse,elevation changes,winds,no way anything at JFK can compare.

Saba remains a firm favourite

Originally posted by preiffer

....my toilet roll is better quality paper than the NACO chart pack is printed on...

Before, or after use? [:w]

Best wishes

David

Originally posted by Virgin Lover
I was lucky enough to get a jump seat for the arrival into Madeira on a Monarch A320 before 911, and before they extended the runway. Now that is an exciting approach.

Indeed.. wasn't it a Captains-only landing?

Originally posted by mike-smashing
In fact, the VOR/GPS 13L/13R is probably more nailbiting for the flight deck, as this procedure would be used to break cloud, before continuing visually.

Many years ago I had the privilege to sit in the jump seat of a BA L1011 ex LHR for this approach, it really does give you an interesting perspective, and its a memory that remains with me to this day, even more so when departing LHR we saw a concorde being towed to T4 for departure. That same concorde ended up landing just in front of us [8D]

I was also lucky enough to witness a Madeira arrival from the jump-seat, although this was after diverting to Porto Santo due to bad weather. We were just able to get into Madeira, althgough it was still a bit hairy![:$]

Cheers,
VS045

If this is what they call the "Canarsie approach" then yes, I've seen it from the flightdeck and have the footage on mini-DV! We landed on the L runway with some crosswind too!

Regards

John