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#835762 by johngordon
23 Jan 2013, 19:14
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Never posted one of these before, but read a lot before travelling, both here and elsewhere. As a point of reference we usually just fly economy, but we had enough miles to upgrade to PE flying back from Sydney. I suspect more frequent flyers will be better at posting more comparable reports, and that many might be more picky than me, especially if used to flying PE or Upper, rather than it being the first time out of Economy!

So there may not be a huge amount to report on, but in the main we loved it, and most of the extra touches really did seem to add to the experience, even if their monetary value is obviously far less than the premium price. Although I guess most of that is for the extra space and bigger seat.

Anyway - we boarded on time, enjoyed the bubbly, and left on time. The new (maybe not so new now?) amenity kits actually come in a really nice pouch now, although from looking online some of the contents are maybe not quite so good. The pen is a lot more basic for example. This is perhaps my first little grumble - that you only get the Economy amenity kit on night flights. Weirdly we got the PE one leaving Sydney at 15:45, but the Economy one leaving HK at 23:30. Looking back on the website, it does say night flights only, but seems a bit odd if the contents don't contain anything specific night flights. Unless I missed something.

Just seems the sort of thing that whilst may be in the small print, but goes against the general impression Virgin try to create. And given the cost of the thing must be easily absorbed by the premium fare, it seems the sort of thing that costs a company more in goodwill than it gains financially. If the selling point of PE is in the detail, then they need to get those details bang on.

The food I though was very good though - pre flight bubbly, then pre dinner drink, main meal, coffee (could have been better) and Baileys. Starter was a very nice smoked salmon and couscous with salad. I had the pork with mash and veg (very good for airplane food, if not very good food period. Actually, that sounds harsh - it was pretty tasty), and my wife a veggie pasta. On the menu it read the same as what she'd had in Economy on the way out, but when it arrived it was clearly a much better looking dish. And much better tasting too. And pudding was a chocolate mud pie type thing - can't go wrong! And after all the plastic cutlery on flights, eating with metal cutlery from crockery really did feel a lot more civilised! And the little salt and pepper shakers are a nice touch.

It was high tea before landing in HK - unfortunately I don't like eggs, so the egg and cress sandwich was a bit unfortunate. I didn't think not liking eggs is that uncommon, so maybe they should stick to cheese. And a kitkat. Which is fine, but not only was it not a four finger kitkat, but it was smaller than a normal kitkat. I guess everything is smaller when it comes to airplane food, but I'd have thought that PE could stretch to a regular sized kitkat!

On the HK - London section, the started was a prawn affair, not as nice as the salmon and couscous (although that was particularly good!) I had a chicken stew with potatoes and veg, and pud was a slice of apple tart. For breakfast I had the chicken a noodles to avoid the egg.

Overall the food was very good, given that its being served up on an airplane. Although its again a shame that PE literature makes a thing out of the crockery and cutlery, but this only applies to the main meal - beyond that you're likely to run back in to ready meal plastic and plastic cutlery. Which I think is a shame - if you're going to make it a selling point, and charge a hefty premium for it, don't deliver it half baked. Again, I think it must cost more in goodwill than it gains financially.

Last food comment - its a shame the Movie Treat thing isn't on all routes / flights. Its exactly the sort of little detail that doesn't take much effort or cost, but is a nice fun touch on a long flight.

Other than that, the flight was comfortable, water and juice was readily available. Having also flown to the US, one of the things that stood out with Virgin crews was a sense of fun you don't often get. Its probably a cultural, not to mention language thing, but you don't really get that with the predominantly Asian crews. Although obviously on that route it makes sense to have crews who speak multiple languages.

Unfortunately its still the old entertainment system, which is understandable if they are rolling out new aircraft on the route in the next year or two. But having all that content available on demand still makes a huge difference compared to the old days! (Which is why I still give it four stars. The addition of an HD screen would make it pretty much perfect. I wonder if Virgin are kicking themselves for rolling out their new system just before using iPads seemed like a good way to go!)

I think thats most stuff - in a nutshell we both really loved the experience compared to economy, with the caveats that it could be better if the food presentation was the same standard for all meals, rather than just the main meal. And the little thing of the PE amenity kit only being on night flights.

That maybe sounds picky, but if the service is being sold on the details, deliver those details consistently across the whole flight. Giving people a taste of it, but then delivering it inconsistently just felt a slight let down.
#835766 by joeyc
23 Jan 2013, 19:31
A fine inaugural TR ^) ^)

The amenity kits are at the mercy of the bean counters back at the castle I am afraid to say n( n( I take my own stuff these days to alleviate any disappointment that may be felt in the realisation of spending all that money on a ticket and being gifted with a pen worth less than a penny sweet (now worth 3p in today's money :P)

Got to say I was laughing at the KitKat disappointment.. all extra weight to VS that could be 'better' used to load more cargo ):

Not picky at all, very good comments made, especially on the personable nature of the crews, def why I usually pick VS if given the chance y) y) y) .

Cheers for posting 8D
#835767 by at240
23 Jan 2013, 19:31
Thank you for a really interesting trip report -- very much enjoyed. ^)

I am surprised you got an economy amenity kit -- that's obviously not right on the HKG-LHR sector! You should be given a small PE one overnight, I think (from memory).

I agree about the little touches re the food service. Recent changes have made a difference here, and it is not good. But overall I think PE is still a very strong product, and it is good you thought it was clearly much better than Y. y)

I must say, the HK crews I've travelled with have been absolutely fantastic, and whilst I agree there is a bit less fun, I think I actually prefer it that way... :)
#835772 by johngordon
23 Jan 2013, 20:06
We got the nice amenity kit out of Sydney, and the economy one out of HK. Even with the night only rule, it seemed the wrong way around. The contents are basically the same, but the pouch was actually pretty nice and worth having to use. Maybe not on a night out, but to keep pens, USB sticks etc or similar.

I should probably say that the crews were very good - attentive, friendly, and efficient. So certainly no complaints - the fun thing was just noticeable in comparison to our trip to NYC.

It was still great though, and quite impressed that we could do it, as we're in no way regular flyers. 21,000 miles from a previous trip to Oz in 2007, topped up over the years with the wine club etc, so the 27,500 on the Rewards Sale meant even infrequent flyers like us could benefit.
#835776 by Blacky1
23 Jan 2013, 20:16
All in all it sounded like a good experience with a couple of niggles but perfection is hard to find nowdays.
As at240 says the PE product is strong and well worth the extra money or miles spent in my opinion
Blacky
#835807 by johngordon
24 Jan 2013, 09:52
Have a great time over there - hopefully not too hot!

Another little thing that was a nice touch - the hot towels that came round.

One weird thing with the Miles though - because we'd used some to upgrade, the miles for the Economy part of the fare don't get added automatically. You have to contact them and get them to do it. I had originally assumed you didn't get any miles for any flight that had used miles, so only knew you did because I'd asked about it. If I hadn't I would have been none the wiser and we'd have missed out on 10,500 miles.
#835853 by Nessy
24 Jan 2013, 23:22
johngordon wrote:Have a great time over there - hopefully not too hot!


Thanks, after the recent snow here I wouldn't object if Australia was as hot as the Sahara :o) .
A bit of a pain about the miles though, I leave all that to my sister (the user DragonLady on here), I think she should write a book one day about VS operating systems.
She seems to know more about them than some VS staff ): ): .

;)
#835855 by jodash
24 Jan 2013, 23:42
Thanks for TR were doing that trip in a couple of months so good to read a encouraging report although I was a bit confused what IFE system was on board
#835894 by johngordon
25 Jan 2013, 14:40
The IFE is seatback, and on demand. But they're the old screens, not the new touch screen ones recently rolled out, mostly on the US routes I think.

The new one would obviously be better, but for me having stuff on demand makes a huge different anyway.
#835911 by jodash
25 Jan 2013, 18:25
johngordon wrote:The IFE is seatback, and on demand. But they're the old screens, not the new touch screen ones recently rolled out, mostly on the US routes I think.

The new one would obviously be better, but for me having stuff on demand makes a huge different anyway.


thanks that will please the wife,we had the new system on our chicago trip and it was good
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