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#838462 by RossDagley
20 Feb 2013, 14:46
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Due to an extremely bad experience after years of flying the same route with VS, I took detailed notes which I've just found again, so have posted here. Apologies the post date is so far past the flight date!


Arrived MCO 17:15 07/10/2010 - went to bag drop approximately 17:45 to collect tickets - told was a 2 hour delay (21:30 departure) - ticket shows boarding starts at 20:55.

20:30 told delay of approximate 30 minutes more. 21:10 told there would be a further delay of approximate 1 hour - given food voucher for $15 each (after having to queue for 20 minutes to get it with almost 200 other people).

Everywhere now closed except "burger king". Burger king have run out of burgers (!) so only chicken burgers available. Had one each. Voucher didn't include sales tax - once two drinks added required cash topup (approx $5).

No information given over tannoy until approximate 23:30 when a random male voice (English not American) came on and tried giving the sob story - we all want to get home, we're all tired etc - said engineers were still working on plane and we'd have a decision by 01:45 as to whether we'd fly or not tonight and if not we'd be given hotel accommodation. After
asking other passengers turns out the "random" male was the actual captain of the plane - he never introduced himself on the tannoy.

00:00 approx I questioned what the specific fault with the aircraft is - problem with the ailerons. Asked why they were still working on it and hadn't allocated another plane or alternative solution when they knew about the fault at 13:00 (11 hours previously). Told was a known issue but it's taken longer to repair than expected.

Spoke to Orlando virgin supervisor - (have name available)

Virgin told (another flyer - also have name and contact details) and his wife (we met in departures) @ 13:30 at their check-in there would be a delay until 21:30 departure (2 hours).

Now 00:30 and still waiting in departures. 5 hour delay already.

Now 01:30 and still in departures. No phone credit available when asked at 01:15.

01:50 told plane was "on a 24 hour delay" (note: NOT cancelled!) and we'd be leaving 19:30 08/10/2010.

Sent back to ticket desk (downstairs) @ 02:00 - one staff member there on arrival, said to everyone they were short staffed as they'd sent people home then she left too. Now 02:15 and still no one on ticket desk. 200+ people waiting at ticket desk.

02:30 get to ticket desk - given hotel voucher and breakfast voucher ($12). No lunch voucher. advised would be on VS28 17:55 - advised check-in opened 13:00. Told same seats as allocated would be given (specifically asked about PE seats).

How can be "24 hour delay" when flight has been merged with another flight with people already on it (VS28 and VS16 never leaves? Need to remind virgin our flight was cancelled, not delayed...

02:45 collect baggage. Scene of mass carnage - all bags dumped on internal (domestic) carasell (350+ bags) some split open from damage, all 3-4 bags deep because so many bags dumped on unsuitable carasell.

03:00 arrive hyatt hotel in terminal. Queue already 50+ people deep to get a room. 50+ people behind us also.

03:40 get to room (1056). No food/drink included at this point. Water is $4 should we want a drink. Although coffee provided, no other cold drinks and the TV was all pay per view channels with no terrestrial free viewing available.

Arrived breakfast (hyatt) 10:00. Told $12 voucher given to us for breakfast doesn't actually cover breakfast, and we'll need to top it up to actually have food (fruit & berries for example $9.50, coffee $3.50 - $15.95 for actual cooked food). Voucher doesn't include sales tax!

Compulsory room checkout 12:00. Went to ticket desk @ 12:05. No virgin staff at all. Approximate 150 people already waiting.

Spoke to virgin rep (have name) @ 12:30 - advised VS16 from last night not been cancelled but it's leaving at 20:30 tonight. VS16 from TODAY (note: not our flight) leaving at 19:30. VS28 (a flight already scheduled to leave 17:55) is only partially full so virgin are trying to put passengers on the earlier flight. However, there are not enough seats in UC or PE for all the passengers so we don't know what flight
we will be on yet.

Virgin told me the problem with the aircraft was supposedly fixed in LGW before the plane left to come to MCO but developed the same fault in flight yesterday. The mechanics on site here in MCO said it would be a two hour fix hence the two hour delay virgin told us originally.

Also said would get lunch vouchers ($13) for lunch and miles vouchers in addition to the ones last night.

13:00 Virgin came back to us and confirmed we would be on the vs28 flight, upper deck and probably the same seats (he even gave the seat numbers so clearly did go look). Said all UC seats for all flights were taken so upgrade / later flight not an option.

13:10 started serving UC passengers @ ticket desk.

Were served 13:45 and told we were on the 17:55 seats 71a & 71c upper deck. Given meal vouchers $12 each plus two phone card credits.

At security approx 16:00 and at gate (86) for 16:40. Boarding scheduled 16:55

Pushed Back from stand 18:17

Hugely turbulent flight <2 hours sleep possible.

Landed 06:56. Delay of 5 mins after landing due to "congestion in the alleys and waiting for a stand to be vacated"

Cabin crew announcement , usual thanks for flying with us, check website etc. Apologised to those flyers "unfortunate enough to be travelling today because of the cancelled flight yesterday".
#838471 by flabound
20 Feb 2013, 15:50
wow...you know I feel sorry that you had such a bad experience but a plane going tech cannot be helped/forseen. I guess the information/feedback stream could have been much better and maybe they could have got you to the hotel quicker....communication seems to be the keyword
#838475 by slinky09
20 Feb 2013, 17:19
Sounds like a belief by the VS staff that the technical issue would be resolved within an acceptable amount of time - hence the thinking earlier in the day. Then a lack of adequate cover later when it became apparent that it wouldn't. All the same I am sure the staff tried their best to get you away. I don't believe the captain gave a typical sob story, I am sure he or she meant what they said, crew don't want to be hanging about for hours at airports just the same as you.

You are absolutely seeing this from your point of view and its messy, seeing it from another point of view might help balance and I don't think you can blame VS for crowding at Gatwick or even turbulence in flight! But of course it's all part of the same experience.

The hotel / voucher issues are irritants. I am pretty sure that in the US vouchers cannot cover sales taxes by law and I am sure this is printed on them somewhere - nonetheless an issue for VS to work on.

I would however consider making a claim for any out of pocket expenses to VS - assuming you kept your receipts.
#838478 by hiljil
20 Feb 2013, 17:46
Oh what a wretched overall experience. I really felt for you.
Better luck next trip !!
#838484 by David
20 Feb 2013, 18:26
What a bad experience. Had a 24 hour delay from Orlando 3 or 4 years ago and was handled a lot better - was actually in the delta lounge before getting a call to go back to the ticket desk - the flight had been diverted to an airport in Canada as a passenger had had a suspected heart attack onboard.

However there are some similarities with your experience.

As Slinky says, you are seeing it from your point of view and frustration does build up especially from poor communication from VS, but taking a step back there will be many things which were outside VS's control. The biggest being told from mechanics that it would be a 2 hour fix.

It does seem however from reading your account and comparing it to my experience that possibly a year or 2 later they hadn't learned from some of the mistakes. The communication about new timings we received at the hotel, which was on idrive, was very poor etc.


With the new regulations that have just come out regarding delays, can you not retrospectively make a (large) claim for the delay ??

David

EDIT: thought I'd done a TR but hadn't but here's original post

http://v-flyer.com/forum/index.php?f=4& ... =viewtopic
#838508 by Hoppy
20 Feb 2013, 21:13
Now that the pain is over you may find some comfort by claiming under EU The Passenger Compensation Regulation 261/2004.

We were delayed in June 2010 for 6 hours by BA on our trip to LAS effectively losing us our first night there. There were 5 of us travelling in PE. One of our group tried to claim compensation back off BA and after the court ruling late last year we all received cheques for £500 (600 euros) in Jan this year.

Virgin may try to claim that the delay was not their fault but there is no harm in trying.
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