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#12818 by Howard Long
16 May 2006, 15:42
I am going to try not to make this a rant, but I am interested in others' opinions on the circumstances.

Back in mid January I booked an award ticket on VS to EWR, travelling on this Thursday, 18 May, and separately a connecting flight online direct with CO to Dayton, OH where I am presenting at a conference. As conference dates and venues are very unlikely to change, of course I purchased non-flexible tickets. I also purchased accommodation pre paid through Travelocity.

Two weeks ago CO informed me that their connecting flight had been brought forward an hour, giving me only 30 mins connecting time at EWR - clearly a no-hoper. So my mate, who's travelling too, called up CO to explain that this was not going to work as we had a connecting flight, where he was told "tough". Of course, once it had been referred to someone else who could help (after being told the usual "the supervisor can't do anything more than I can") the flight got changed to the first one next day gratis.

Then came even more fun. I called Travelocity's Indian call centre (through a US phone number) to change the three night booking to arrive one night later and then be for only two nights. Well, of course I couldn't do that. The hotel was overbooked. I had already checked on Travelocity and there was nothing else showing: the conference attracts about 30-40,000 people to the area. And if I didn't turn up the first night I'd forfeit my entire booking despite it being prepaid. So apparently I had two choices. Cancel now and take a $25 charge for the privilege, or turn up on the day which of course now my flight had been scuppered I couldn't do. So, I suggested to the lady that perhaps there might be someone else who could help me - although this lady seemed to think she was the only person at Travelocity. Eventually, after being on hold twice for fifteen minutes at a time, I got her supervisor who miraculously came up with a hotel half a mile away.

So, becuase of a fairly short notice timetable change on the part of CO, I spent 45 minutes on an international phone call, my mate another half hour, we have had to organise and fund stopover accommodation, I will now be late for my conference, and do CO give a stuff?

I am sure CO and Travelocity are not alone in this. The continual dumbing down in call centres never ceases to amaze me. It's getting almost commonplace to have to refer problems to "someone who can help". The fob off that "the supervisor won't be able to do anything more for you" really gets on my nerves.

Anyone else had similar experiences?

Cheers, Howard
#118077 by slinky09
16 May 2006, 15:53
Howard

Continually ... I've gotten to such a stage that when someone answers I simply ask to speak to a supervisor. My personal rant is that I am usually well educated in a problem and its potential resolution before I call - then to be told something isn't possible, when I know it is, really riles me. And we know, there is always flexibility if you get to speak to someone who has the authorisation to act.

There are exceptions, such as a recent call to Flying Club where a superb person helped and got it right (and went an extra mile). But generally I find that going straight to the experienced staff is the way to go.

I'm not sure if its a continual dumbing down, after all, all staff have to learn and that's why supervisers are ... just simply I don't have the time or the will to be fobbed-off by inexperience.

Fact of life innit?
#118078 by FamilyMan
16 May 2006, 16:07
I do sympathise Howard - I know from experience that sorting out this sort of mess is a pain.

Was there no chance you could take an earlier New York Flight - possibly the JFK VS3 flight and then get across to EWR?

If you really are on the VS1 though any possibility you can get some shots of the A380 at the T3 gate? [:I] - Sorry had to ask [B)]

Phil
#118080 by Bazz
16 May 2006, 16:11
Sorry to hear about your woes Howard.

I must agree with you about the "dumbing down", I am not a big fan of call centres and, unfortunately, the ones that have located to India do seem to be much worse than their UK based counterparts. I am not intending to play the racist card here, it is just a fact of life, IMHO.

When on vacation in the US, in Las Vegas actually, we had a big problem with our email server hosted by Tiscali, this ended up with me making several calls to their call centre (India) on my mobile from LAS! - They were most unhelpful! I was unable to get any assistance from them whatsoever despite having been with Tiscali for six years.

We had a corrupted email in our inbox and it was blocking all traffic, I wanted them to clear all the emails out of the inbox. We had local copies of most of them and the others, if they were imnportant, would be re-sent as soon as it was realised we hadn't acted upon them.

In the end I contacted a friend here in the UK and he was eventually able to sort things out, that cost me another £500 on top of the phone calls and wasted hours, oh, and a couple of sleepless nights!

It certainly put the dampers on the first few days of our vacation.

Barry.
#118082 by RichardMannion
16 May 2006, 16:17
I've not flown CO since they IDB'd me and a colleague in the most ungraceful manner back in July 2003 (we on our way to a conference too) - their staff were downright useless, and clearly didn't like it when a customer knew the rules of IDB and what they were entitled to. The amount of messing around/stall tactics/fobbing off they attempted was worthy of its own sitcom. I did offer to cheange the first vowel of their vast sign at EWR, but they declined.

I find it a common practice nowadays for call centres to be poor, the only real exception I have found is indeed the Premier Team at VS. I think they have the basics of dealing with customers sorted - I have two simple rules:

- If you don't know, say you don't know - don't try and give me a duff answer; I will bite

- If you say you are going to do something, then do it.

Thanks,
Richard
#118090 by willd
16 May 2006, 17:06
The best has to be Natwest though- they make a big thing about having your own branch telephone number. The truth of the matter is that if the phone isnt answered at the branch after 5 rings you get transfered to India- wonder how many staff just leave the phone to ring through to India!!!
#118098 by fozzyo
16 May 2006, 17:35
Originally posted by RichardMannion
I've not flown CO since they IDB'd me and a colleague in the most ungraceful manner back in July 2003


IDB? [?]

Thanks
Mat xxx
#118107 by Howard Long
16 May 2006, 18:01
Originally posted by FamilyMan
Was there no chance you could take an earlier New York Flight - possibly the JFK VS3 flight and then get across to EWR?

If you really are on the VS1 though any possibility you can get some shots of the A380 at the T3 gate? [:I] - Sorry had to ask [B)]


From memory the VS3 wan't showing availability on a UC award ticket back then although it and two other JFK flights have been over the past couple of days - proof again that seats are definitely relased five days from departure once loading levels are more firm. Problem is I'd have to leave work another couple of hours earlier, pretty much meaning that there'd be no point making it into work, and therefore no pennies. Plus, of course, there's the hassle and cost of a JFK-EWR transfer.

Didn't know about the A380. Appears it's due to land at 1220Z (1320BST) so hopefully if it's parked up somewhere at T3 I might get a peek. Assuming it's arriving at Pier 6, where is Pier 6 in relation to the rest of T3? Is it anywhere near where the A346's seem to congregate right down the far end?

Might mean I have to miss out on my Cowshed treatment and a dip in the hottub. [:(!]

Cheers, Howard
#118108 by Howard Long
16 May 2006, 18:11
Originally posted by Howard Long
Originally posted by FamilyMan
Was there no chance you could take an earlier New York Flight - possibly the JFK VS3 flight and then get across to EWR?

If you really are on the VS1 though any possibility you can get some shots of the A380 at the T3 gate? [:I] - Sorry had to ask [B)]


From memory the VS3 wan't showing availability on a UC award ticket back then although it and two other JFK flights have been over the past couple of days - proof again that seats are definitely relased five days from departure once loading levels are more firm. Problem is I'd have to leave work another couple of hours earlier, pretty much meaning that there'd be no point making it into work, and therefore no pennies. Plus, of course, there's the hassle and cost of a JFK-EWR transfer.



Oh, and another 10K miles - I booked whent the flights were 40k each way.

Howard
Virgin Atlantic

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