Originally posted by vscss
Excuse me Alan, but alot has changed to my role on the aircraft as FSM since I joined the airline.....have you not heard of 9/11??
Yes, and so has everybody else. Security did NOT start with 9/11 for Gods sake. Have YOU heard of the September 1970 hijackings and every other hijack since?? Your role has NOT changed since then!
1:Our job is much more dangerous now than it ever was, we have a million new security procedures now than we ever had (As you can expect I cannot go into detail) and can I just remind you who is the last line of defence from someone trying to take over the aircraft...Yes the CREW. That flight deck door will not be opened for anyone now, no matter what is going on in the cabin...Its up to the crew to defend the pax and aircraft.
Funny. Every report I read where a deranged person has tried to break into the cockpit, open the emergency exit or doors, its the Crew AND PASSENGERS who have stopped them.
Who was it that rushed the terrorists on Flight United 93? The passengers NOT the crew.
The last line of defence seems to be the passengers.
Re the flight deck door, I have been on three Airbus flights where on landing the aircraft flexes so much, the door has opened by itself!
2:Air rage has doubled in the last 10yrs, we have to deal with more abusive, drunk and violent pax EVERY flight. Who is going to restrain these pax?? Yes the CREW.
Again, reports and videos show Passengers helping to subdue and restrain the idiots. In many cases the passengers are the optimum size to tackle these scum, not the smaller crew members.
3:The class of pax has changed dramatically since the intro of low cost airlines...people who could only afford to go to Butlins can now go to Barbados.....need I say more??!!
As has been said before, this is the attitude that stinks from Virgin Cabin crew.
Here is another way of looking at them.
THEY PAY YOUR WAGES! Start treating them like such.
HOWEVER, that does NOT give any passenger the right to treat you like crap, verbally abuse you, or cause violence towards you and that is the same for all passengers regardless of their monetary abilities, the class of travel they fly in or any other 'reason' to abuse working staff. Its a pity Virgin have allowed so-calleed 'Celebs' to act that way instead of throwing them off the planes!!
So Alan, please do not insult me or my crew until you can truly understand the real reason why crew are on an aircraft..Primarily for YOUR safety and security.
This is a fallicy that all cabin crew hide behind as if its some mighty sword of damoclese.
In the event of a crash, you do not know how you would act until it actually happens. We all know the story of a Virgin FA screaming 'We are going to crash' on one flight, because they are human and whilst training can give you a very small insight into what would happen, the actual event is totally different (and yes I do know from personal experience)
You are overstaffed just to provide this 'service' hence I imagine the management's look at removing a member of staff from the airbus.
Whilst primarly for that one in a million off chance that you survive the impact, and are in a condition to get people out, who have not got themselves out before you can get to them (if at all) the job of a Flight attendant/Stewardess/Cabin attendant or whatever is the latest name has ALWAYS from day one has always included as part of the job description, to provide a service to the passengers. Its a part of the job many of you seem to want to either ignore or hide (normally in the galley on return flights).
FA's have a job to do, the same as the ground support staff, the aircraft cleaners, the waste removal drivers, the catering staff and everyone else that gets passengers to and from their destinations.
However it always seems to be that FA's give this attitude that they are better than the other support staff. [V]
Originally posted by FlyCC
FYI, just so you have a general idea. I am Senior Cabin Crew, working J and took home last month just over £1100. Cabin Crew (junior) may be taking around £950, perhaps less or slightly more depending on trips.
I work that out at before tax £350 a week, does that factor in your extras? Its not fantastic to be sure but £350 is quite normal.
If your a 'J' cabin crew person does that make you more special, trained or qualified than someone working the EC cabin?.
A long time ago, I worked very hard to get my degree, applied to god-knows how many companies and finally got a really wonderful job in the film industry.
It was, and still is, my utopian dream-job. The problem was that after a while I realised that much as a Iiked the job it wasn't going to pay enough to give me the ability to buy my first flat or car etc. It was simply the real world in action; you make your choice of career and then, probably more than once, you have to assess your skills, priorities and aspirations.
I realised pretty quickly that I was either going to have to choose to put up with the low pay of the job and miss out on other things I wanted to do and have, or change jobs to improve my lot. It was as simple as that - I couldn't (and wouldn't have wanted to) blackmail my employer by threatening his business by going on strike, it was simply market forces in action and I HAD A CHOICE[:w].
I decided to change career direction, and have ended up being paid well for a different job that has given me all sorts of new avenues and not once have I ever regretted the decision to walk away from my underpaid dream job. Sure, I still sometimes hanker after the sheer enjoyment and personal satisfaction that my job gave me, but I still have different opportunities to enjoy my work now.
The reality, is that in this imperfect world, you have to assess your personal priorities and sometimes make difficult decisions about how you would like your career and personal life to move forward. If you're not happy with your situation, take personal responsibility for it [;)](and don't victimise ordinairy people who you happen to have at your mercy) and make an informed and rational decision about where and how you'd like to work and then get on and DO IT. Don't bully joe public just because you can[V] - rise above that thinking and be seen to be taking control of your own destiny.
It was, and still is, my utopian dream-job. The problem was that after a while I realised that much as a Iiked the job it wasn't going to pay enough to give me the ability to buy my first flat or car etc. It was simply the real world in action; you make your choice of career and then, probably more than once, you have to assess your skills, priorities and aspirations.
I realised pretty quickly that I was either going to have to choose to put up with the low pay of the job and miss out on other things I wanted to do and have, or change jobs to improve my lot. It was as simple as that - I couldn't (and wouldn't have wanted to) blackmail my employer by threatening his business by going on strike, it was simply market forces in action and I HAD A CHOICE[:w].
I decided to change career direction, and have ended up being paid well for a different job that has given me all sorts of new avenues and not once have I ever regretted the decision to walk away from my underpaid dream job. Sure, I still sometimes hanker after the sheer enjoyment and personal satisfaction that my job gave me, but I still have different opportunities to enjoy my work now.
The reality, is that in this imperfect world, you have to assess your personal priorities and sometimes make difficult decisions about how you would like your career and personal life to move forward. If you're not happy with your situation, take personal responsibility for it [;)](and don't victimise ordinairy people who you happen to have at your mercy) and make an informed and rational decision about where and how you'd like to work and then get on and DO IT. Don't bully joe public just because you can[V] - rise above that thinking and be seen to be taking control of your own destiny.
I have been searching and reading lots of forums on this subject and I get the impression that there are a little core of people that seem to want a strike no matter what they are offered and they are going to have their strike come hell or high water, and it seems its the senior ones that want it. Am I right in this assumption?
What exactly is WDMM ( yea I know what it stands for ) but is it anything to be reckoned with or just a band of people that want to STRIKE STRIKE STRIKE and keep the red flag flying.
If you strike do you think this will actually 'down' the planes?
If you strike do you not worry what impact this will have on the company and customer loyalty and your job security?
From some of the vitriol that I have read on other forums from crew who want to strike, crew that refer to management as 'them', like the old days and also seem to refer to passengers as some form of lower class that are bad because they actually 'pay' to go on the planes and expect to be served and they should think themselves lucky they have money to spend in the first place.
It all makes no sense to me. Perhaps a bit less vitriol (sp?) and a bit less WE WANT, WE DEMAND might get you all a bit of what you deserve ( and I agree you do deserve more )its all beginning to look a bit Arthur Scargill and I credit Virgin with a bit more class than that[;)]
What exactly is WDMM ( yea I know what it stands for ) but is it anything to be reckoned with or just a band of people that want to STRIKE STRIKE STRIKE and keep the red flag flying.
If you strike do you think this will actually 'down' the planes?
If you strike do you not worry what impact this will have on the company and customer loyalty and your job security?
From some of the vitriol that I have read on other forums from crew who want to strike, crew that refer to management as 'them', like the old days and also seem to refer to passengers as some form of lower class that are bad because they actually 'pay' to go on the planes and expect to be served and they should think themselves lucky they have money to spend in the first place.
It all makes no sense to me. Perhaps a bit less vitriol (sp?) and a bit less WE WANT, WE DEMAND might get you all a bit of what you deserve ( and I agree you do deserve more )its all beginning to look a bit Arthur Scargill and I credit Virgin with a bit more class than that[;)]
Originally posted by easygoingeezerOriginally posted by FlyCC
FYI, just so you have a general idea. I am Senior Cabin Crew, working J and took home last month just over £1100. Cabin Crew (junior) may be taking around £950, perhaps less or slightly more depending on trips.
I work that out at before tax £350 a week, does that factor in your extras? Its not fantastic to be sure but £350 is quite normal.
If your a 'J' cabin crew person does that make you more special, trained or qualified than someone working the EC cabin?.
Its my understanding that on average, crew fly 6 trips per month?
AlanA I can see you have been a flying club member for 14 years so you are a loyal customer and I think you for that, however AlanA I find what you have said in all your posts very wrong.
The quote below is from my contract that Virgin wrote and is also drummed into us during training.
'The reason for cabin crew being employed by Virgin Atlantic Airways is primarily for the
safety of passengers, crew and the aircraft.'
Yes we serve customers but thats not our most important role. I have been flying for 8 years with VS and in that time I have had my fair share of Emergencies to deal with and I can say that all my crew were fantastic and dealt with it very well. Customers may help us with things but at the end of the day its the crew that are in control we are the ones that use the Defib, We are the ones that do CPR and mouth to mouth, We are the ones that would restrain using the equipment we have for this, we are the ones that flight the fire, we are the ones that would save you if need be!
As for you being on Airbus flights where the door has opened itself upon decent and landing I can't believe.
If you have it was not on VS. You need to make that clear as there could be people with other motives reading this site. You can't see the door from the cabin on any of our Airbus. It just does not happen I can't say how it does not happen but I know it does not.
oh yeah and security did not start with 9/11 but since then there has been a lot introduced that you as a passanger do not know about or see.
Also the type of pax has changed yes. 30 - 40 years ago would a pax have got on an airplane and spat at a crew member or swore at a crew member. I don't think so. I have gone to work and I have been pushed I have been called names that I will not repeat on here. Oh and its all been on flights like MCO and BGI. Places that some people could not afford to go to but can now due to the change in costs.
No doubt you are going to slate me AlanA but it won't change anything I have said.
The quote below is from my contract that Virgin wrote and is also drummed into us during training.
'The reason for cabin crew being employed by Virgin Atlantic Airways is primarily for the
safety of passengers, crew and the aircraft.'
Yes we serve customers but thats not our most important role. I have been flying for 8 years with VS and in that time I have had my fair share of Emergencies to deal with and I can say that all my crew were fantastic and dealt with it very well. Customers may help us with things but at the end of the day its the crew that are in control we are the ones that use the Defib, We are the ones that do CPR and mouth to mouth, We are the ones that would restrain using the equipment we have for this, we are the ones that flight the fire, we are the ones that would save you if need be!
As for you being on Airbus flights where the door has opened itself upon decent and landing I can't believe.
If you have it was not on VS. You need to make that clear as there could be people with other motives reading this site. You can't see the door from the cabin on any of our Airbus. It just does not happen I can't say how it does not happen but I know it does not.
oh yeah and security did not start with 9/11 but since then there has been a lot introduced that you as a passanger do not know about or see.
Also the type of pax has changed yes. 30 - 40 years ago would a pax have got on an airplane and spat at a crew member or swore at a crew member. I don't think so. I have gone to work and I have been pushed I have been called names that I will not repeat on here. Oh and its all been on flights like MCO and BGI. Places that some people could not afford to go to but can now due to the change in costs.
No doubt you are going to slate me AlanA but it won't change anything I have said.
Yes of course I know of the 1970 hijackings, but again YOU do not know my job Alan. Our security training and procedures re hijackings has only changed since 9/11. I cannot go into it in details for obvious reasons. But unless you are trained in onboard serurity procedures you are not able to comment on such a claim that our role has not changed....absolute rubbish
United flight 93, The FSM was killed 1st, so obviously she could not do much,and if you have heard the full transcript of this flight the remaining CREW and pax defended the A/C.
In an event of hijacking/disruptive pax we would NEVER call upon a pax to help, we are not allowed to, however if you choose to help that is your choice, but most of the time other pax getting involved in something they know little about and are not trained in will make matters worse.
I think you need to withdraw your claim re the Airbus door, under no circumstances would a door open on landing, not even if a bomb went off outside it...You will have to trust me on this one ...I cannot go into the security of the f/d door. But NO way would it open like you suggest.
United flight 93, The FSM was killed 1st, so obviously she could not do much,and if you have heard the full transcript of this flight the remaining CREW and pax defended the A/C.
In an event of hijacking/disruptive pax we would NEVER call upon a pax to help, we are not allowed to, however if you choose to help that is your choice, but most of the time other pax getting involved in something they know little about and are not trained in will make matters worse.
I think you need to withdraw your claim re the Airbus door, under no circumstances would a door open on landing, not even if a bomb went off outside it...You will have to trust me on this one ...I cannot go into the security of the f/d door. But NO way would it open like you suggest.
Ok, calm down people. I know this is a very emotive subject on both sides - hard working crew who want a decent pay rise and customers who have worked hard to afford their holidays, and don't want to hear their flights have been disrupted. But let's try to keep it civil.
We will keep in civil but when people say things they dont know much about they need to be corrected.
I do hope it does get sorted before strike. For most crew striking is the last thing we want.
I do believe there is some intresting reading coming out soon that will make VS sit up and take us serious
I do hope it does get sorted before strike. For most crew striking is the last thing we want.
I do believe there is some intresting reading coming out soon that will make VS sit up and take us serious
Oh as long as you dont be abusive and have attitiude towards the crew you will be fine and will be worthy of service.
If the crew are like that with you then let the CSS/FSM know who will put a stop to it.
If the crew are like that with you then let the CSS/FSM know who will put a stop to it.
[i]Originally posted by virgin is the best
The quote below is from my contract that Virgin wrote and is also drummed into us during training.
'The reason for cabin crew being employed by Virgin Atlantic Airways is primarily for the
Safety of passengers, crew and the aircraft.'
Yes we serve customers but thats not our most important role. I have been flying for 8 years with VS and in that time I have had my fair share of Emergencies to deal with
So what happens when the crew are either killed or incapacitated if the worst happens and a plane goes down?
Customers may help us with things but at the end of the day its the crew that are in control we are the ones that use the Defib, We are the ones that do CPR and mouth to mouth,
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Why do crew always ask for medical assistance when a pax is sick onboard? P.S CPR encompasses mouth-to-mouth it is not a separate intervention. Cardio=Heart and Pulmonary=Lung Resuscitation = A procedure to restore life.
An Automated External Defibrillator can be used by anyone who as been trained and can follow Simple Basic Instruction. It is not a medical procedure but a fool proof first aid tool whose actions and interventions on a persons life is merely facilitated by limited human input, even my domestic staff are trained to use A.E.D's and they only get a fraction of my Wages.
If a passenger is better qualified than you at giving C.P.R then you would always go with the most experienced person, which I would hope is in the vast majority of cases is going to be a passenger. That is unless Death or Cardiac Arrest is extremely common aboard V/S flights?
We are the ones that would restrain using the equipment we have for this, we are the ones that flight the fire, we are the ones that would save you if need be!
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So if you are on a flight with unruly violent passengers all those police officers, armed forces personnel specialist nurses trained in C&R 'Control and Restraint' and general members of the public who are physically and very importantly mentally equipped to subdue a violent person you would run down the isle screaming stop there I am trained let me handle the situation???
oh yeah and security did not start with 9/11 but since then there has been a lot introduced that you as a passanger do not know about or see.
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Safety whilst onboard an aircraft is mainly in the lap of the good, good pilots and engineers and extremely effective pre boarding security checks and passenger profiling.
Also the type of pax has changed yes. 30 - 40 years ago would a pax have got on an airplane and spat at a crew member or swore at a crew member. I don't think so. I have gone to work and I have been pushed I have been called names that I will not repeat on here. Oh and its all been on flights like MCO and BGI. Places that some people could not afford to go to but can now due to the change in costs.
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Why did the passengers spit and push you? Surely there were reasons other than being poor and scabbing it on a cheep flight?
As we are all told Flight is the safest mode of transport in the world. Many passengers already know that and they pay extra pounds to fly airlines that pay better attention to passengers and their needs. So customer service from a passengers point of view is equally if not more important than 14 or so crew primarily there just in case a safety issue arises on the aircraft.
After all that I must say that the next time I am on a flight and someone requires medical attention that Despite my 18 years experience in medicine and my ability to perform C&R due to a 4 year stint in a forensic unit working alongside murderers, rapist, schizophrenics, violent patients and the odd psychopath thrown in that I can Press up the volume and enjoy my O/J in the knowledge that the crew can handle it all probably better without me than with me.
I will remember this on the next V/S flight I take where there is a medical emergency or assault on crew or passengers.
BA are always glad of a helping hand, as their crew seem to be able to know their limitations and when to become the assistant rather than a bad leader. Also BA have rewarded me in the past with many air miles when helping out the crew but come to think of it in 2005 on a return flight from Miami when I help with a medical emergency I got nothing.
Now I know why it's because the crew are better trained than I or many other passengers and did not appreciate my assistance as they are 'TRAINED'.
Dear V.I.T.B
Please stop trying to over impress those who already know how wonderful a job you already do, All it does is make you look a little immature and likened to a blabbermouth in the school playground saying mine is better than yours, I am better than you, etcetera etcetera.
Yes you deserve a good wage but then don't we all?
Cheers Jerseyboy
FYI
Customers are not aloowed to use our restraining equip on our A/C
Doctors and Nurses are not allowed to use DEFIBS on Virgin A/C nor are they allowed to do CPR.
We ask them for assistance in giving drugs thats all they are insured to do on an A/C. The crew can give drugs if there are no Doctors or Nurses available. We would manage without you.
There are times when it would be very dangerous to use a DEFIB on an A/C and that is the reason it can only be used my FSMs/CSS and other VS trained people. Yes they are easy to use but use it at the wrong time on an A/C and it could cause a few bigger problems. I have been involved in DEFIB use on our A/C and it was the FSM/CSS who used the DEFIB not the doctor and it was the crew who done CPR not the Doctor and I will add that the Doctor was very impressed with the skills of the crew and he was rewarded with miles and a free flight.
I got spat at because someone could not have a chicken meal and I got pushed because I asked someone to sit down during turbalance. Who later needed medical assistance as he hurt himself.
We would accept any help offered during a restraint but we would never allow then to take control or use the equipment.
It is very unlikley that all crew members would be incapacitated or killed and if it did happen then chances are you would be too so there would be no one offering help.
Safety and security is the responsability of all Airline staff I am not saying were special but there are a few things we do that no one else does apart from the crew.
Dear Jerseyboy
I am not saying we are better than anyone else far from it. I am just saying that there are somethings we as crew are can do that customers are not able to do on airplane no matter how trained they are.
Yes we all deserve a good wage and that what were trying to get.
Customers are not aloowed to use our restraining equip on our A/C
Doctors and Nurses are not allowed to use DEFIBS on Virgin A/C nor are they allowed to do CPR.
We ask them for assistance in giving drugs thats all they are insured to do on an A/C. The crew can give drugs if there are no Doctors or Nurses available. We would manage without you.
There are times when it would be very dangerous to use a DEFIB on an A/C and that is the reason it can only be used my FSMs/CSS and other VS trained people. Yes they are easy to use but use it at the wrong time on an A/C and it could cause a few bigger problems. I have been involved in DEFIB use on our A/C and it was the FSM/CSS who used the DEFIB not the doctor and it was the crew who done CPR not the Doctor and I will add that the Doctor was very impressed with the skills of the crew and he was rewarded with miles and a free flight.
I got spat at because someone could not have a chicken meal and I got pushed because I asked someone to sit down during turbalance. Who later needed medical assistance as he hurt himself.
We would accept any help offered during a restraint but we would never allow then to take control or use the equipment.
It is very unlikley that all crew members would be incapacitated or killed and if it did happen then chances are you would be too so there would be no one offering help.
Safety and security is the responsability of all Airline staff I am not saying were special but there are a few things we do that no one else does apart from the crew.
Dear Jerseyboy
I am not saying we are better than anyone else far from it. I am just saying that there are somethings we as crew are can do that customers are not able to do on airplane no matter how trained they are.
Yes we all deserve a good wage and that what were trying to get.
Thanks for saying it was not a VS Airbus.
I am sure you fly other airlines. We all do.
I am sure you fly other airlines. We all do.
From a Captain - rest of article here.
Interesting discussion of AEDs
In fact his blog makes interesting reading - http://www.askcaptainlim.com/blog/
c. Remember, the flight crews are trained on basic first aid and the use of the life supporting equipment. For more serious medical emergencies, they would have to rely on the professionals. Hence the announcement ÒIs there a doctor on board?Ó is often heard over the public announcement.
Interesting discussion of AEDs
In fact his blog makes interesting reading - http://www.askcaptainlim.com/blog/
Originally posted by virgin is the best
FYI
Customers are not aloowed to use our restraining equip on our A/C
Doctors and Nurses are not allowed to use DEFIBS on Virgin A/C nor are they allowed to do CPR.
We ask them for assistance in giving drugs thats all they are insured to do on an A/C. The crew can give drugs if there are no Doctors or Nurses available.
There are times when it would be very dangerous to use a DEFIB on an A/C and that is the reason it can only be used my FSMs/CSS and other VS trained people. Yes they are easy to use but use it at the wrong time on an A/C and it could cause a few bigger problems. I have been involved in DEFIB use on our A/C and it was the FSM/CSS who used the DEFIB not the doctor and it was the crew who done CPR not the Doctor and I will add that the Doctor was very impressed with the skills of the crew and he was rewarded with miles and a free flight.
I got spat at because someone could not have a chicken meal and I got pushed because I asked someone to sit down during turbalance. Who later needed medical assistance as he hurt himself.
We would accept any help offered during a restraint but we would never allow then to take control or use the equipment.
It is very unlikley that all crew members would be incapacitated or killed and if it did happen then chances are you would be too so there would be no one offering help.
Safety and security is the responsability of all Airline staff I am not saying were special but there are a few things we do that no one else does apart from the crew.
Dear Jerseyboy
I am not saying we are better than anyone else far from it. I am just saying that there are somethings we as crew are can do that customers are not able to do on airplane no matter how trained they are.
Yes we all deserve a good wage and that what were trying to get.
Dear V.I.T.B
The detail and meaning of my comments seem to have flown buy you.
Never once did I mention that a qualified passenger would use your A.E.D nor did I state that a qualified passenger would use your restraints. In my background mechanical restraint is never used anyway.
But come on a medically qualified passenger would become the knowledgeable/skilled leader in a medical emergency and the lesser qualified/experienced Cabin Crew would become the valuable assistant, And yes even a good medical practitioner/nurse would let a lesser qualified person carry out C.P.R but under there guidance and overall critical care management skills.
C.P.R is carried out by non-cabin crew whilst onboard aircraft that is a fact to which I can give you 100% guarantee. C.P.R is also a bit more than compression, respiration and observation.
Please can you tell me when it is dangerous to use an A.E.D onboard a in-flight aircraft when the person being defib'd is not on or near sensitive electronic equipment in a position where further harm may be caused to the patient or those around them or the aircraft is rapidly descending?
And by the way there are many recorded aircraft accidents were all crew are either dead, incapacitated or alive and functioning in a separate piece of broken fuselage and passengers have taken control and helped themselves and others around them.
Cabin crew at best are reasonable trained unqualified personnel tasked with a multitude of duties to which they are proficient in but not experts of.
Cabin crew at worst are those who think they are better than everyone else and believe they are experts in every situation that may happen onboard an aircraft.
Passengers are at best people who pay bucket loads of money and go through all the stresses and strains of pre flight procedures, traffic jams, overdrafts, nervous gastric reactions and all the other stresses and strains in the hope of having an enjoyable flight experience, where they are cared for and served in a consistent, appropriate manner and importantly with a smile.
In broad terms Passengers are at worst, the person who's anxiety, stresses or fears sometimes get the better of them and may just loose it sometimes without being drunk, drugged or just even borne nasty.
Yes you are very valuable to both V/S and its passengers but you aren't god and you don't win favours by putting arguments that are incredibly disjointed and inaccurate on a forum predominantly supported and visited by your wage payers.
Yes I want you to get what you deserve but no I don't like some of the attitude that is displayed in this thread by both C/C and V-Flyers alike.
But you do a pretty good job of lining yourself up in front of a firing squad with some of the comments you have and no doubt will continue to make.
You would think on a virgin atlantic friendly forum VA staffers would be clambering to enlist our support and sympathy for their plight which given the right approach would be forthcoming.
Sadly and amazingly I am getting the impression that us mere client type mortals are inferior, especially us deadbeat MCO types and need to be told whats what.
I kind of hoped my flight would not be disrupted for my UCS trip to MCO whilst at the same time want the CCs to get a decent pay offer, I am beginning to wonder now if I should give a damn.
Respect is a two way street and we are all professionals in our own particular field, CC's are not brain surgeons and neither am I.
If my staff were judging the class or integrity of my paying clients
and treating them differently as a result they would be getting p45s very quickly. So it would be butlins all around for them wouldn't it.
Sadly and amazingly I am getting the impression that us mere client type mortals are inferior, especially us deadbeat MCO types and need to be told whats what.
I kind of hoped my flight would not be disrupted for my UCS trip to MCO whilst at the same time want the CCs to get a decent pay offer, I am beginning to wonder now if I should give a damn.
Respect is a two way street and we are all professionals in our own particular field, CC's are not brain surgeons and neither am I.
If my staff were judging the class or integrity of my paying clients
and treating them differently as a result they would be getting p45s very quickly. So it would be butlins all around for them wouldn't it.
I don't need to sit here and defend the training that Virgin have given me and also the rules that both Virgin and the CAA have made for us to abide by.
I know what I can and can't do onboard a VS airplane.
I also know what a customer can and can't do on an airplane even if they are a Doctor/Nurse/Fireman/Policeman or anyone else that is is that type of job where they could ASSIST us.
The FSM would always remain in control of the situation. The role would then go to the CSS if the FSM was not able to fulfill the role due to a number of reasons.
I know what I can and can't do onboard a VS airplane.
I also know what a customer can and can't do on an airplane even if they are a Doctor/Nurse/Fireman/Policeman or anyone else that is is that type of job where they could ASSIST us.
The FSM would always remain in control of the situation. The role would then go to the CSS if the FSM was not able to fulfill the role due to a number of reasons.
Originally posted by Decker
From a Captain - rest of article here.c. Remember, the flight crews are trained on basic first aid and the use of the life supporting equipment. For more serious medical emergencies, they would have to rely on the professionals. Hence the announcement ÒIs there a doctor on board?Ó is often heard over the public announcement.
Interesting discussion of AEDs
In fact his blog makes interesting reading - http://www.askcaptainlim.com/blog/
Cheers Decker so i see it is mainly supportive to and in keeping with my post in responce to V.I.T.B
Jerseyboy
So let me see if I get this right:
* Some cabin crew are very good
* Some cabin crew are shi*e
* Some pax are very good
* Some pax are shi*e
* MCO is a valued route
* MCO is the path to hell
* Crew deserve to be paid a fair wage that's at least in keeping with the inflation rate
* Crew deserve to be paid a fair wage that's in excess of the inflation rate
* Crew should push for their wage but not strike
* Crew should push for their wage and strike
* Money doesn't grow on trees
* Babies come from ladies
Now, beyond these benchmarks, is there possibly ANYTHING further of use to share in this thread or have we pretty much closed it down?
God knows, playing the Voice of Reason is not my typical role in this beloved cyber-panto known as V-Flyer, but I shall endeavour to do so now by asking: Has not this thread run its course?
Thank you.
GJ
PS -- I honour our CC for their extensive training and ability to play a massive role in the face of emergencies -- but I honestly am not often called upon to care if they could land the Hindenburg in a hurricane; I just want them to be friendly and bring me a drink on a consistent basis (and yes, be there to administer CPR to me when Lady Mannion walks on the plane). And that's all I'm sayin'...
* Some cabin crew are very good
* Some cabin crew are shi*e
* Some pax are very good
* Some pax are shi*e
* MCO is a valued route
* MCO is the path to hell
* Crew deserve to be paid a fair wage that's at least in keeping with the inflation rate
* Crew deserve to be paid a fair wage that's in excess of the inflation rate
* Crew should push for their wage but not strike
* Crew should push for their wage and strike
* Money doesn't grow on trees
* Babies come from ladies
Now, beyond these benchmarks, is there possibly ANYTHING further of use to share in this thread or have we pretty much closed it down?
God knows, playing the Voice of Reason is not my typical role in this beloved cyber-panto known as V-Flyer, but I shall endeavour to do so now by asking: Has not this thread run its course?
Thank you.
GJ
PS -- I honour our CC for their extensive training and ability to play a massive role in the face of emergencies -- but I honestly am not often called upon to care if they could land the Hindenburg in a hurricane; I just want them to be friendly and bring me a drink on a consistent basis (and yes, be there to administer CPR to me when Lady Mannion walks on the plane). And that's all I'm sayin'...
Originally posted by virgin is the best
I know what I can and can't do onboard a VS airplane.
I also know what a customer can and can't do on an airplane even if they are a Doctor/Nurse/Fireman/Policeman or anyone else that is is that type of job where they could ASSIST us.
The FSM would always remain in control of the situation. The role would then go to the CSS if the FSM was not able to fulfill the role due to a number of reasons.
Assistance is the key word you have so correctly used. But assistance is a two way street, I really do appreciate the job that C/C perform and all the multiple tasks that you are expected to undertake during your daily work. I am not questioning your training I am just concerned that you were being very one sided in some of the statements you have made.
Cheers Jerseyboy
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