Cabin Crew Pay Update *2nd NOV*

They are really showing some true colours on cabincrew.com at the moment[n] also WDMM have stooped to new lows with their last childish announcement. A right nasty little lot some of em clearly, how did these people get past the interview stage I don't know.

Never been involved in this thread before - [?] - but after reading cc.com could any member of staff tell me how many trips / hours per average month you work.

Nothing nasty inferred, just trying to understand.

thanks in advance

David
(I would take a guess that the its pretty complicated to work out)

Originally posted by David
Never been involved in this thread before - [?] - but after reading cc.com could any member of staff tell me how many trips / hours per average month you work.

I asked a crew member on a recent flight and she told me normally 5-6 per month with varying flight times. But not 100% sure I was thinking more likely to be 4-5.

In comparison to short haul- at Flybe they work 3 days (normally day one: early, day two: late, day three: early) then have 2 days off followed by 3 days on (normally day one: late, day two: early, day three: late) then something like 5 off.

A family friend is a FSM in BA so when I next see her I will ask her what her average trip number is like for comparison.

[Darren Wheeler]

Originally posted by Nottingham Nick

Originally posted by Pete
Seems to still be there for me: http://www.wedeservemoremoney.com/

Layout and formatting hasn't improved though. [;)][:D]

Also, isn't the V tick a registered trademark?

BA on average will probably do at least one less trip a month than us if they are on the 100% Long Haul contract..Eurofleet is completely different, you cannot compare a Short Haul Airline roster with a long haul airline roster. Although no roster can go over 900hours for the entire year. Im currently at Virgin Blue and I can do up to 4 sectors a day, 6 days on....but I still cant go over the 900hours for a rolling year

900 working hours a year maximum.

4 trips on average per month. Occasionally 5 in a busy month. 6 trips is rare but not unheard of - they would have to all be short ones - the most tiring.

Trips vary in length from the shortest which is a 2 days, through 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, and 9 days away from base.

No two months roster is the same, its very hard or even impossible to guess how busy the next roster will be.

Is there any new information on the strike vote?

Another forum http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthread ... 72&page=16 seems to suggest that the result of the ballot comes out at Noon today (1st Nov)

Just wondering if I'm going to be flying VA or BA in 10 days time.....

I do not imagine todays result (not out yet) will disrupt flight in the short term i.e. 10 days time

Originally posted by Voice_of_reason
I do not imagine todays result (not out yet) will disrupt flight in the short term i.e. 10 days time

How about in a month's time...?

'"month's time' - That's the problem - the return flight!"

Just to add a little twist to this ongoing saga .... depending on the outcome to this latest offer (still to be announced), can the result be declared invalid due to the possible loss of 'votes' in the recent postal disputes? Just thinking that Virgin would not want any disruption before the Christmas/New Year 'rush' (although obviously they don't want any at all), so declaring the result invalid due to the postal dispute, resending the paperwork again to the crew for their submission, again, will push this into the new year? Just a thought.

Clare

i am very nervous as im flying to miami on 16th november and returning 5 days later i am worried that my plans could be affected i have been saving long and hard for this trip ( booked through vh) what happens if a strike happens b4 i go will vh put me onanother airline? or will i just lose my trip? also if i am over there already what happens then??? just worrying help!!!!!

[preiffer]

This theory about the loss of votes on CabinCrew.com is absolute b*llocks.

Think about it - Royal Mail haven't opened every single ballot paper and kept back only the 'No' votes! IF any ballot papers got lost/delayed, it would be PROPORTIONATE as to whether they were yes/no votes that arrived on time. (Unless they're saying that all the No votes were saved until the very last minute and sent in one batch [ii])

Again, it's a few on CC.com who are stirring it for others now there's a worry that they might not get their militant wish granted. [n]

any ideas? im going nuts with worry

Martin, I understand your concern. I am hoping to fly to Florida on the 11th Nov but not returning till the week before Christmas. The temptation is not to risk Virgin.
We cannot be alone in this - I would guess that many who know about the ballot will be looking to make other arrangements. That must be hurting VS bookings.
Meanwhile Virgin are maintaining a deathly silence - they don't want their customers to know.
That is only natural - they want to stay in business!

Anyone who reads these boards, however does know - so why does Virgin not at least give some information here?

I suspect that even if the ballot is NO against the offer it will be marginal - That will make it very difficult for the union - they have an enormous risk of a NO vote against a strike! Such a situation probably means more negotiation; perhaps a number of weeks before the strike ballot is called.

So little help or consideration for the slf.

One other consideration in standard of service - I can remember very clearly a BA flight back from Beijing just before they had a strike some years ago. The cc service was appalling - they simply stood in a huddle discussing strike the whole flight - that stopped me flying BA for years!

Perhaps what we should do is try to raise the profile - start asking about the 'strike' on more boards so more people know - more people choose other carriers - and force Virgin (and the CC if they want to keep their jobs) to start considering the pax and settle quickly or at least keep us informed.

Bill

Originally posted by martin1974
any ideas? im going nuts with worry

Martin, I'm like yourself, going on a long awaited holiday. I'm really trying not to worry, I've been told 'unofficially' that if a strike does happen I'll still get to my destination, maybe a day later or earlier, but I'll get there (and back again).

It's hard not to worry about it but I'm hoping Virgin will not allow a strike to happen.

I have heard from the union 'off the record' the vote came back as NO

I guess Virgin will announce it fully later today.

Originally posted by vscss
I have heard from the union 'off the record' the vote came back as NO

I guess Virgin will announce it fully later today.

Oh dear.

But on a brighter, purely selfish note, I have today called my travel insurance company and they have told me I am covered for getting my flight costs back. So, if a strike is announced for the day I am travelling, I will cancel and fly with another carrier, probably BA [:D] Shame, I've always enjoyed flying Virgin. If a strike does happen it can only be a negative thing for the Virgin crew.

I've heard the same thing. Bet mickey mouse airlines are worried now. Its the first time staff have stood up to them.

If they offer a deal that pays me at least 1200.00 net into my bank account + allowances then I will vote Yes. This would at least bring us into line with other UK based carriers.

[Decker]

Any particular currency? Welcome to V-Flyer btw [;)].

UK Pounds please.

No pound symbol on my notebook. Serves me right for buying it OS!!

i didnt book with vs i booked a package to miami with vh . if a strike is called which will disrupt me will vh just cancel my holiday or will they just put me on ba or aa or something liek that?? i really dont know. i did email vs a while back and they reckon there will be no problem and they will run a full schedule of flights i relly dont know what to do do i ring vh ?i did b4 i emailed vs and vh didnt know anything about it!!

[Neil]

Martin - at the moment you really can't do much apart from hope that VS and the union can come to some agreement. There is no certainty at a strike will ever happen, the official results from the last ballot have not even been announced yet, let alone any further announcements on what the next course of action will be.

If, and its a big if worst does come to the worst then Virgin Holidays should re-arrange your flight for you onto another carrier, but it is pointless ringing/emailing them about a problem that does not even exist at the moment.

Rest assured VS will do everything possible to try and stop a strike happening, its the last thing in the world they want.

Neil

[Pete]

Martin1974,

I'm sure you'll be fine. Even if a strike were to go ahead (which still seems unlikely), Virgin Atlantic and Virgin Holidays would take steps to make sure you got to your destination on other carriers if their flights had to be cancelled. There may be slight disruption, but they wouldn't cancel your holiday.

Unite to Ballot Virgin Atlantic Cabin Crew for Strike Action

LONDON, UNITED KINGDOM--(Marketwire - Nov. 2, 2007) - Virgin Atlantic cabin crew have voted to reject the company's latest pay offer. Unite the Union has today written to give notice to Virgin Atlantic that the union will ballot its members for strike action.

The staff believe that they have been undervalued for too long by Virgin. Their pay considerably lags behind the pay of cabin crew staff working for British Airways who can earn up to GBP 10K more than Virgin cabin crew flying the same business routes. On holiday routes Virgin cabin crew also earn considerably less than their competitors.

In a clear majority, 60% of Virgin's cabin crew voted to reject the company's latest pay offer. Virgin have offered a two year deal where cabin crew staff would receive 4.8% in the first year (from April 2007) and RPI in the second year (from April 2008).

Unite National Officer, Brian Boyd, says:
'Virgin Atlantic cabin crew believe that their professionalism and dedication has been undervalued for far too long. On the same business routes, cabin crew at British Airways can earn GBP 10K more than the cabin crew at Virgin.

'Unite is calling upon Virgin Atlantic to deliver a long term solution to this problem. It has gone on for too long and our members have had enough. Unite has written to the company today to inform them that the union will ballot its members for strike action within the next two weeks.'

Unite has 3200 members at Virgin Atlantic.