Originally posted by baldbrit
An un-secured PAX will seriously injure themselves or other PAX if the place breaks suddenly.
In two?
In two?
In two?
In two?
Originally posted by Speedbird223Originally posted by baldbrit
An un-secured PAX will seriously injure themselves or other PAX if the place breaks suddenly.
In two?
Yes. The PAX would certainly be hurt under those circumstances. [:D]
That will teach me not to post while working at the same time...
Originally posted by mcnaugha
It's important to note that a long haul plane can't just decide to land shortly after take-off without dumping fuel to get down to landing weight. I'd imagine it would take several hours, if not three quarters of the flight to burn off sufficient fuel.
The exercise of dumping fuel is only likely to take place where there is a serious technical fault with the aircraft or lives are in danger. Fuel isn't exactly cheap. Neither is it environmentally friendly. So major reasons needed to dump fuel. Crazed, thieving weirdo isn't a strong enough reason.
Fuel dumping does not take that long to happen. I would say that it could be done in about an hour and half on a fully laden 744 for the flight. Its worth remembering that BOS-LHR is a relatively short hop and the a/c would not be full to the brim, I would imagine. All the fuel does not need to be completely dumped either, if its urgent enough then the a/c will land after a short fuel dump. After all in a medical emergency minutes can save a life.I am sure Denzil would be able to clarify when(if) he read this post.
Fuel dumping nearly always takes place over sea or sparesly populated areas. Sure its not cheap but if the a/c is in danger then it will be done. Obviously in this case the a/c was not in real danger.
Originally posted by DarkAuror
They trying to get a service that the cost and type of ticket they had didn't entitle them to.
I haven't flown in UC but is the bedding attached to the bag of the seat like it is with NZ? She can't have thought she was going to get any form of service from the crew, a 6.5 hour flight with no drinks/'food'. She may have had a bed but I can't imagine she got any peace and quiet.
Making a statement and a very stupid one at that!
In case of emergency an overweight landing would take place, only ever seen it twice. First was a VS B747 due smoke in cabin (recall J2000 seats!!) & the second CX B747 due engine failure on take off. Unlikely any airline would dump fuel (like throwing gold bars out of the window with current fuel prices!!)to land over such an incident.
Mrs D informs me that the initial issue on the BOS-LHR flight would have involved the 'boys in blue' meeting the aircraft, due to fraudulent use of product not paid for. She is also very, very shocked that none of the crew could move her!!!!
Mrs D informs me that the initial issue on the BOS-LHR flight would have involved the 'boys in blue' meeting the aircraft, due to fraudulent use of product not paid for. She is also very, very shocked that none of the crew could move her!!!!
Originally posted by Denzil
Mrs D informs me that the initial issue on the BOS-LHR flight would have involved the 'boys in blue' meeting the aircraft, due to fraudulent use of product not paid for. She is also very, very shocked that none of the crew could move her!!!!
If someone absolutley refuses to move, what can you do? Physically dragging them back to Y might be an iffy proposition and hardly using reasonable force. Moving around an aircraft is hard enough normally, never mind if someone is passivly resisting being moved.
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Darren
Darren
Originally posted by Denzil
She is also very, very shocked that none of the crew could move her!!!!
Can I ask what the law is with regards to physical contact? I know that these days there are so many rules and regulations which prevent you from being able to physically restrain people. Is this the same for flight crew considering the security threat?
Why does this thread remind me of the blonde in First Class joke? [:w]
Originally posted by willd
Fuel dumping does not take that long to happen. I would say that it could be done in about an hour and half on a fully laden 744 for the flight. Its worth remembering that BOS-LHR is a relatively short hop and the a/c would not be full to the brim, I would imagine. All the fuel does not need to be completely dumped either, if its urgent enough then the a/c will land after a short fuel dump. After all in a medical emergency minutes can save a life.I am sure Denzil would be able to clarify when(if) he read this post.
Fuel dumping nearly always takes place over sea or sparesly populated areas. Sure its not cheap but if the a/c is in danger then it will be done. Obviously in this case the a/c was not in real danger.
I didn't say dumping the fuel would take that long. I said burning the fuel, as in using it to fly a certain distance would.
I have been onboard a VS flight where a fuel dump was required after sparks were seen flying out of engine 4 during take-off. So I have firsthand experience of the process and how long it takes.
Was it on here that there was atread in the past of a couple who regulary paid for economy and moved into PE once the flight took off?
Another question,
If you had been in that cabin, would you have gone all English, i.e. tutted and frowned, but not done anything else like give support to the crew, or would you have gone all american nad berated the women from start to finish? [:D]
Another question,
If you had been in that cabin, would you have gone all English, i.e. tutted and frowned, but not done anything else like give support to the crew, or would you have gone all american nad berated the women from start to finish? [:D]
Originally posted by AlanA
Was it on here that there was atread in the past of a couple who regulary paid for economy and moved into PE once the flight took off?
Another question,
If you had been in that cabin, would you have gone all English, i.e. tutted and frowned, but not done anything else like give support to the crew, or would you have gone all american nad berated the women from start to finish? [:D]
Knowing my wife, she would complain like hell and she'd mention to the pax that she would be on the next flight back if she continuely refused.
However, it would be easier for the CC to tell the PAX that she if continued to sit in the seat then she will be charged for it at the full rate on her credit card (if she paid by credit card) as well as being refused entry in to the UK.
PA announcement: 'We would like to remind all passengers that ignoring directions of crew is an offence and anyone who does so will be handed over to the Police upon arrival, this includes the passenger who has decided that their economy ticket allows them to sit in the Upper Class cabin and has refused to move.'
Looks like under the terms and condition they could physically move her, but I suppose it could have been a PR disaster waiting to happen if they did.
ARTICLE 11 UNACCEPTABLE CONDUCT ABOARD AIRCRAFT
11.1 General
At all times while engaged in carriage aboard aircraft, you will behave in a manner not likely to:
11.1.4 obstruct, hinder or interfere with the crew in the performance of their duties;
11.1.5 contravene any instruction or direction of the crew or the Carrier - whether oral or by notice - issued for the purpose of securing the safety or security of the aircraft and of persons or property and/or the comfort or convenience of passengers, including, but not limited to, instructions concerning security, seating, smoking, consumption of alcohol or use of drugs, use of electronic equipment including, but not limited to, mobile/cellular telephones, laptop computers, PDAs, portable recorders, portable radios, CD, DVD and MP3 players, electronic games or transmitting devices such as radio controlled toys and walkie talkies.
11.3 Breach of duty
If, in our reasonable opinion, you fail wholly or partially to observe any of the duties placed on you by Articles 11.1 and 11.2:
11.3.1 we may report the matter to any relevant police or other enforcement authority; and
11.3.2 we may take such measures as we consider necessary to prevent the continuation or repetition of such conduct including, but not limited to, physical restraint and/or removal of you from the aircraft and/or refusal to carry you after a stopover (whether made for the purpose of removing you from the aircraft or otherwise); and
11.3.3 we may decide to refuse to carry you at any time in the future; and
11.3.4 you will reimburse us any costs we incur in order to (a) repair or replace property lost, damaged or destroyed by you; (b) compensate any passenger or crew member affected by your actions; and (c) divert the aircraft for the purpose of removing you from the aircraft.
I would have thought that only she had to pay the price of an upper class ticket, she would have got a fine from Met Police.
A very expensive 6 hour journey for someone who thought they had a cheap holiday!
ARTICLE 11 UNACCEPTABLE CONDUCT ABOARD AIRCRAFT
11.1 General
At all times while engaged in carriage aboard aircraft, you will behave in a manner not likely to:
11.1.4 obstruct, hinder or interfere with the crew in the performance of their duties;
11.1.5 contravene any instruction or direction of the crew or the Carrier - whether oral or by notice - issued for the purpose of securing the safety or security of the aircraft and of persons or property and/or the comfort or convenience of passengers, including, but not limited to, instructions concerning security, seating, smoking, consumption of alcohol or use of drugs, use of electronic equipment including, but not limited to, mobile/cellular telephones, laptop computers, PDAs, portable recorders, portable radios, CD, DVD and MP3 players, electronic games or transmitting devices such as radio controlled toys and walkie talkies.
11.3 Breach of duty
If, in our reasonable opinion, you fail wholly or partially to observe any of the duties placed on you by Articles 11.1 and 11.2:
11.3.1 we may report the matter to any relevant police or other enforcement authority; and
11.3.2 we may take such measures as we consider necessary to prevent the continuation or repetition of such conduct including, but not limited to, physical restraint and/or removal of you from the aircraft and/or refusal to carry you after a stopover (whether made for the purpose of removing you from the aircraft or otherwise); and
11.3.3 we may decide to refuse to carry you at any time in the future; and
11.3.4 you will reimburse us any costs we incur in order to (a) repair or replace property lost, damaged or destroyed by you; (b) compensate any passenger or crew member affected by your actions; and (c) divert the aircraft for the purpose of removing you from the aircraft.
I would have thought that only she had to pay the price of an upper class ticket, she would have got a fine from Met Police.
A very expensive 6 hour journey for someone who thought they had a cheap holiday!
Whats annoying is those people that think because the seat is empty its fair game whilst the pax who paid for premium seats have probably subsidised a cheap economy fare for the moaners in the first place.
Originally posted by easygoingeezer
Whats annoying is those people that think because the seat is empty its fair game whilst the pax who paid for premium seats have probably subsidised a cheap economy fare for the moaners in the first place.
I agree with completely! You don't get anything for nothing, well unless you get an authorised/legitimate upgrade.[:D]
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