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#6876 by VS-EWR
15 Jul 2005, 01:00
Although it doesn't really concern me as I am not an UC passenger, I was just wondering what a Good Night Flight is. VS mentions it in their News section and that they are starting August 4th.

"We all know that eating late and going to bed straight away can make it difficult to sleep, and that is why from the 4 August 2005 Upper Class passengers will be able to take advantage of our new Good Night Flight service on flights leaving after 9pm."

I tried searching the phrase and came up with no results, so does anyone have a clue?
#69377 by mike-smashing
15 Jul 2005, 08:56
It could either be just a new marketing name for "snooze" - but it suggests that it would be available on all flights departing after 9pm...

I assume it means the availability of lighter meals/supper, served in a single hit (rather than in courses), on these flights.

Whether it means a snooze-like "lights out" section of the cabin on those flights, I guess we'll just have to wait and see.

Cheers,
Mike
#69422 by vizbiz
15 Jul 2005, 16:34
I think this would only be effective where there is a separate "snooze zone", so that those wishing to sleep early wouldn't have the continual clomping about, bumping of seat/suite, etc that seems unfortunately part of serving dinner etc.
#69423 by BlackCat
15 Jul 2005, 16:43
Sounds like the BA Sleeper Service. I do hope that this is an optional "enhancement"...

BC
#69498 by Richard28
16 Jul 2005, 15:51
sounds like they are extending the snooze zone concept for late flights leaving LHR?
#69499 by jamie
16 Jul 2005, 15:57
Wonder if it's optional?
#69504 by vscss
16 Jul 2005, 17:08
The new upper class service will be called "Good Night Service"
It will be on any destination which has a Vigin Clubhouse it will apply to all flights departing after 9pm local operating on the UCS.
It will be for all J class passengers and will be as follows:

1)You can have a full meal in the Virgin club house.
2)After take off there is no drinks service.
3)Onboard you can choose 3 options: sleep, cold tray or hot tray.
4)Sleep option the bed will be made and you will have no service.
5)Cold tray will be your drink, cold snack or salad. Served 20 mins after take off.
6)Hot tray will be your drink, cold snack or salad and hot entree all served at same time 40 mins after take off.
7)There will be no table linen used and no wine service unless you ask.
8)The cabin lights WILL be turned off 50 mins after take off.
9)Breakfast will only be served at the bar with the hot breakfast entree removed from the menu alltogether!

This has just been sent to me, I am a CSS with Virgin, what do u think?
#69509 by BlackCat
16 Jul 2005, 17:37
Fine for the snooze zone, but unless this is optional I will be flying a different airline!

BC
#69510 by Milliemoo
16 Jul 2005, 17:37
Thanks for that.

Which part of the cabin will they be using for this service? Do you have seat numbers?

Thanks

Milliemoo
#69512 by mike-smashing
16 Jul 2005, 17:39
Originally posted by vscss
2)After take off there is no drinks service.


I can understand this, as it probably will save about 20 mins in starting the meal service.

Maybe what could make this work even better is to have the bar available (along with crisps and nibbles) as soon as the seatbelt sign is off, for those who simply have to have a drink! ;)

3)Onboard you can choose 3 options: sleep, cold tray or hot tray.
4)Sleep option the bed will be made and you will have no service.
5)Cold tray will be your drink, cold snack or salad. Served 20 mins after take off.
6)Hot tray will be your drink, cold snack or salad and hot entree all served at same time 40 mins after take off.


Are we allowed to change our mind? So, say that I want to go to sleep, but then find that I can't drift off into the land of nod, can I change my mind and have a hot meal, for example?

7)There will be no table linen used and no wine service unless you ask.


As long as it's made clear that you have to ask for wines and alcoholic beverages with your meal, that's fine. Otherwise people will get the wrong idea, and think VS just don't have it available.

8)The cabin lights WILL be turned off 50 mins after take off.


Yay!

9)Breakfast will only be served at the bar with the hot breakfast entree removed from the menu alltogether!


Yuck. I don't think I like this. I like the idea of if you fill in a breakfast card, you get woken with breakfast. If the breakfast is lighter, maybe it can be served less than an hour out? Otherwise, fend for yourself from the selection at the bar!

Does no hot breakfast = no bacon rolls too?!!!! I'm worried!

This has just been sent to me, I am a CSS with Virgin, what do u think?


Well, on some late flights, like ex-JFK/EWR, I've noticed that snooze is very popular, often totally full. Other times, I know that I don't want to snooze, I'd like a meal (usually because I've been rushing all day and late to the airport), but I'd like a quick meal, and then lights out, or time to work - rather than the full-blown 2 hour long thing.

There is possibly some fine tuning required. VS have said this will apply to all flights departing after 9pm, but it's not departure time which is the real issue. It's also the flight duration, and to some extent the time change.

So, for example, on a longer flight, say JNB, which doesn't have a Revivals at the far end, I wouldn't mind a light supper, but I would also prefer a larger breakfast to set me up for the day.

On a flight such as MIA-LHR, which I know doesn't leave before 9pm, there isn't a Clubhouse, and the crossing time can be short because of tailwinds, I would prefer the option of a lighter meal, sleep as much as possible, and get breakfast in Revivals.

I do like the idea of getting stuff out on one tray. This will definitely reduce the number of people scooting up and down the aisle, which is great for people who want to sleep.

So, mixed feelings, but I'm really glad there's some midway point between snooze and 2-hour long dinner. As I said, there's room for tweaking.

Also, some people will arrive on the aircraft expecting the same service as they got on a daylight flight, and I guess that could spark some hostility.

So, I'd say that the main thing is managing the customers' expectations over the change in service - long before they get on the aircraft.

Cheers,
Mike
#69513 by Nottingham Nick
16 Jul 2005, 17:42
From what I can make out, it will apply to the following flights.

VS002 from EWR
VS010 and VS046 from JFK
VS024 from LAX
VS201 from HKG

VS200 to HKG / SYD
VS300 to DEL

Personally, my first perceived impression is.. 'What more cost cutting?'

I wouldn't be happy if I was on VS024, had this restricted service and then found Revivals closed [:(!] Could this be another reason for the 'experimental' increased opening hours of Revivals?

Nick
#69515 by mitchja
16 Jul 2005, 17:47
Hmmmm doesn't sound good to me either. I would not go for this option, if it were an option of course.

Mind you after my last snooze zone experience, I won't be doing that again in a hurry either [V]

Regards
#69518 by jamie
16 Jul 2005, 17:54
Will this apply to the whole UCS cabin on those flights or just a section?
#69519 by vscss
16 Jul 2005, 18:01
We have been told it will be on ALL flights after 9pm which has a Virgin Clubhouse. Operating on the UCS aircraft only.

There will be NO snooze zone anymore, and this new service will apply to ALL J passengers and will NOT be optional! It will apply to all seats in the UCS cabin. This will totally replace the current inflight service in J.

The exception of this will be Lagos flights, as passengers eat lots and like a full inflight service!

It will be on all sectors regardless of flightime including JNB.
It will not be on VS24 (LAX) as this is a j2000 aircraft at the moment,
nor VS6(MIA) as this has no clubhouse.

The bar will still be available for drinks.
Bacon rolls will still be served...Don't worry!!
If you can't sleep you can change your mind too and eat!
#69521 by mitchja
16 Jul 2005, 18:07
Sounds very much like a downgraded UCS J service to me [V] remind me not to fly after 9pm in J on VS

Regards
#69524 by vscss
16 Jul 2005, 18:12
The idea came from doing a survey with our top 50 UCS passengers, who all said they wanted to sleep longer and have less inflight service.
Remember you will still get the full service in the clubhouse and it will be made clear in the clubhouse, that the onboard service will be limited.
#69525 by jamie
16 Jul 2005, 18:12
When does this new service start?
#69527 by vscss
16 Jul 2005, 18:17
We have been told 1st August '05
#69528 by jamie
16 Jul 2005, 18:18
Thanks for updating us all so quickly!
#69534 by Milliemoo
16 Jul 2005, 19:15
Have to say, I think this will probally go down well with business travellers (which I'm guessing the top 50 were all) but as a leisure travellers I have to say we're a bit miffed.

This will be our first experience of the UCS and it looks like 2 out of our 3 VS flights on our honeymoon will have this restricted service.

What about beauty treatments? Are these off the cards aswell? [:(]

I've just told OH about being served dinner on a tray and he said "what are we paying thousands of pounds for if it's no different to ecconommy?"

'a slightly miffed' Milliemoo
#69535 by Milliemoo
16 Jul 2005, 19:19
and I don't understand limiting the breakfast either ???

Surely if you embrace this new concept and have a good sleep for the duration of the flight, the one thing your reall going to want is a nice breakfast [}:)]

'a getting more miffed by the minute' Milliemoo

p.s apologies for all my typos
#69536 by BlackCat
16 Jul 2005, 19:40
It's not going down too well with this business traveller: I'm often connecting in where I don't have that much time in the Clubhouse (particularly in the US) and in any case I usually don't want to sleep that much. I'll be looking for an alternative carrier if I have a late night flight.

This looks like a cost cutting exercise, no matter how VS dresses it up.

BC
#69538 by Milliemoo
16 Jul 2005, 19:52
OK, just one more point, and I'll finish ranting....

Why lights out after 50mins? If your on VS200 I really don't think anyone's going to want/have 10 hrs sleep! Why not lights out after 2hrs, still giving enough time for a full service.

humpf

Milliemoo
#69540 by Scrooge
16 Jul 2005, 19:56
Seems like a plain stupid idea to me,expand the "snooze zone" if it's that popular,but as BC has said there are many people catching connecting flights who don't have time to stop in the club house and get something to eat.Again as BC said it's a cost cutting measure no matter what they say.

Also they polled 50 flyers...I just wonder how many indivaiduals flew UC last year,there is no way you can get an accurate reading by using 50 people.
#69543 by The_Banking_Scot
16 Jul 2005, 20:06
Hi,

First of all thatns for the posting vscss.

Although to date this would not concern me ( I fly from SFO, and MCO ) and have not done night time flights from NYC or LHR, I'm not that convinced this is a good idea ( esp for the HKG flights).

Some people may not have time at the clubhouse and then be given a reduced service on board ( albeit it sounds as the meal will be more filling than the BA sleeper service)
Hot meal @40mins : Lights out at 50mins: that may mean eating in the dark!!- lack of linen disturbs me too for a premium cabin.

Breakfast at the bar: given the size of the UCS cabin (44-50 seats) and the bar area-could be interesting and congested ( esp for those on the upper deck of the 747-400- walking down the stairs)
Service seems lacking for HGK which is a longish flight and I would hope they would serve a fuller meal service on this flight.

I agree with the concept of the snooze zone but I'm not too sure about this concept.

Regards

TBS
Virgin Atlantic

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