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#424778 by VS045
06 Nov 2007, 18:40
VS flights I've taken in the last year and my reaction to them:

LHR-DXB: best flight I've ever experienced
JNB-LHR: worst VS flight I've been on
LHR-JNB: average-poor
JNB-LHR: excellent
LHR-LAX: average
LAX-LHR: good
LHR-EWR: good
EWR-LHR: very good
LHR-DXB: good
DXB-LHR: good
LHR-EWR: average
EWR-LHR: poor

Overall, I would say that 3 of these crews do not even deserve a job, let alone a raise.
2 crews no change to salary.
6 crews pay rise
1 well, Heroes through and through

It is intersting to note that one a given flight there doesn't seem to be much difference between the standards of crew, only between flights.

45.
#424780 by pjh
06 Nov 2007, 18:51
Originally posted by GrinningJackanapes
That said, the press coverage in the UK might be more robust than that over here and perhaps any revenue loss that does happen will be weighted to the UK?


Although it is of particular interest to this community, perhaps there are many important stories currently vying for column inches that would tend to relegate 'possible strike threat at small-ish privately owned airline' to a couple of lines on the business pages. I'm thinking $100 oil, banking sector in collapse, fall in house values, war with Iran, potential collapse into anarchy of a state with nuclear weapons, Macca's latest squeeze...

BA always seem to time their strike threats with the summer silly season for the press ensuring maximum coverage.

Paul
#424783 by firsttimer
06 Nov 2007, 19:24
The sad thing is, from a passenger (i.e. leisure, not business traveller) point of view, not only am I worried sick about my upcoming December holiday being ruined that I have been looking forward to all year, I'm also worried that if my flight is OK, I will have awful service on board and feel very uncomfortable.

I called the Premier Team who have told me that if my flight is cancelled I will either be offered a refund or a seat on BA (if there's room).
#424786 by willd
06 Nov 2007, 19:37
Its also worth remembering that the press only really got a hold of these airline strikes when they are striking.

Good example of this is the Gate Gourmet crisis at BA- it only really became headline news once the strike had started. At the moment- despite what some CC have been saying on here- the possibility of the strike, on an airline that the vast majority of the public will not be traveling on, does not really make good news.

The recent Royal Mail (something which effects every person in the UK unless your posh and use DX (!)) strike only became headline news very late into pay negotiations. How the union/CC in favour of striking think they will make headline news this early on is beyond me.

I would imagine that if the strike goes ahead, despite it being a pain to those on here and who have booked holidays, it is likely to be buried IMHO somewhere amongst the news story about christmas travel chaos or if anything will bring the aforementioned news story a tiny bit closer to the headlines.
#424794 by slinky09
06 Nov 2007, 20:06
Originally posted by pjh
Although it is of particular interest to this community, perhaps there are many important stories currently vying for column inches that would tend to relegate 'possible strike threat at small-ish privately owned airline' to a couple of lines on the business pages. I'm thinking $100 oil, banking sector in collapse, fall in house values, war with Iran, potential collapse into anarchy of a state with nuclear weapons, Macca's latest squeeze...


Oh well, another normal day at the office anyone, more tea?
#424814 by Great Smile
06 Nov 2007, 22:44
I've been a lurking for some time...........
Thought I'd pluck up the courage to join my lovely pax and make a posting.
This may seem naive and wishy washy, and I do truly understand your concerns, but please do not fret too much about december flights.
Less than 30% voted no to the last ballot. Reading on another site it looks like less than 20% will vote to strike.
We can handle this, it will be tough and tiring but we can do it if it comes to striking.
So many crew are volunteering their services on days off to keep the airline running and I shall be joining them if needed.
Your flight may go crew down and yes the crew may not be on the best of form, but if you are on my flight, then I will make sure that its the best flight that you've ever had.

Please bear with us and remember that its only a small minority of crew who dont seem to realise the true value and importance of our terrific customers and their worth.
#424815 by n/a
06 Nov 2007, 22:54
Great Smile for Prime Minister!

[y]

GJ
#424820 by Scrooge
06 Nov 2007, 23:23
You know what..Great Smile, if we still had a respect rating on here you would of earned mine.

At times like these it is refreshing to hear from yourself and others that they still want to work and try and provide great service [oo]
#424832 by firsttimer
07 Nov 2007, 08:54
A big thank you Great Smile - your post has gone a long way to making me feel better, thank you. [^]
#424834 by maz
07 Nov 2007, 09:19
Yes, thank you Great Smilie. [y]I hope you get a pay rise.
#424837 by Bill S
07 Nov 2007, 09:41
Thank you Great Smile - hope to be on your flight one day! You make it clear that some do deserve that pay rise!
#424840 by mdvipond
07 Nov 2007, 10:43
Truly, Great Smile, yours is a post to melt even the hardest and most embittered of hearts. Perhaps even that of LRoM...?

Your reassuring words are very much appreciated by us nervous ninnies travelling in December. And it just goes to that a short-sighted and militant minority should not be allowed to tar all around them with their tawdry brush.

Really hope you're right about that strike vote though...
#424843 by Great Smile
07 Nov 2007, 11:21
Thanks everyone (posting #2 woo hoo)
I just wanted to let you all know that the strikers are in the minority here and the majority of crew are behind the company and pax.
Its a cringe worthy read to hear how some of you have been spoken to by crew on-board and indeed on here. Maybe I'm just an old fashioned CCM, but I'm still from the school of thought that the customer is always right, so at least listen and be polite, even if you dont agree.
I shall keep lurking here and fill you in anything that I hear, i may even upgrade to full membership so that I can retrieve my personal messages waiting for me.......not sure I can afford to though! Only joking :)
#424845 by Decker
07 Nov 2007, 11:46
Crew get free membership [;)]
#424848 by Ian
07 Nov 2007, 13:46
Originally posted by Nottingham Nick
If worker is set against worker
Nick

I don't remember it that way, Nick. Wasn't it the case that some miners exercised their right to strike, whilst others exercised their right to carry on working? Anyway, deep coal mining as an industry was doomed with the discovery of oodles of cheap natural gas in the North Sea.
#424868 by n/a
07 Nov 2007, 16:33
Originally posted by mdvipond
Perhaps even that of LRoM...?


Still ice, I'm afraid...but ice made daily by Eton schoolboys, from Hildon Spring water specially carried to the college in buckets by Princess Alexandra, The Honourable Lady Ogilvy.

GJ
#424933 by gillme
07 Nov 2007, 20:04
Thank you so much Great Smile from another November & January flyer. You have made me much happier!
#424958 by napamatt
07 Nov 2007, 22:58
Great smile must be Maud, the worlds best FSM incognito
#425016 by Great Smile
08 Nov 2007, 09:25
Ha ha, I'm not Maud, but I do look up to her, she is fab!
#425035 by mogmog
08 Nov 2007, 12:08
On cabin crew and other airline crew salaries, vis-a-vis fluctating exchange rates, how does it work? I do know that dollar denominated salaries for ex-pats working with airlines in India are becoming an issue. So would the VS cabin crew be covered for stuff like this?
#425074 by Bill S
08 Nov 2007, 14:56
I notice a number of references to V-Flyer on the CabinCrewwebsite. Also a move in opinion towards no strike! - Good News for ALL!

Perhaps some good is coming out of all this if Crew are becoming more interested in Pax views (on this site) and conversely if we (Pax) are becoming more concerned about CC.
#425086 by beddersjnr25
08 Nov 2007, 16:56
Hey,

I have read this topic with great interest over the last few weeks. There have been some very interesting points made, both from the side of the crew and the pax. I didn't want to get involved in it, but there are some rather distressing points that have been made and, in a free speech society, I want to excercise my right to reply...

Firstly, some background. I am crew for VS, and have been for 14 months. I did not work as crew before so have no experience from other airlines.

I have, however, worked in Customer Service roles for 10 years. And what did I learn? That the customer is the focus of any service driven industry. Yes, the staff need to be skilled, yes the product needs to be right, but both are pointless without the customer. Admittedly you won't get customers without the right staff and product, but it still ALWAYS comes back to the customer. It saddens me that some of the crew that I share the skies with don't see this. Why do some crew still have an air of superiority about them? Yes the customer is demanding, yes the customer can be moody sometimes, yes they ask for things that take you away from your routine... but we are there to provide a service. END OF! If you paid £5000 for a car you would expect the earth from the guy selling you the car... it works the same for a ticket for a journey that lasts hours. And of course the passengers who save to travel with us for years and years, choosing VS based on reputation... I am ashamed to say that in 14 months of flying, 60/70% of crew do not meet what I think is an acceptable level of Customer service. The world today demands good service, and if you accept the job you accept your role in that demand!

Ok, on to the pay deal. I'll be honest here, I voted no to the offers up until the last one. I thought the company were asking too much with the concessions they wanted us to make. I won't moan about my bank balance because you have heard it all before. All I will say is that I manage, and that is because I make choices that make me manage. I live within my means, and I find other ways to support myself if needed. The salary VS pays, for the 12/16 days a month I work is proportionally good. It was the conditions in the early pay deals that made me vote no. So when the last one came out I was split for a while... until I saw that by voting no I was pretty much sealing my fate, as well as the fate of the thousands of VS employees. So I said yes, and am so so so disappointed that it was rejected. I think the Union have failed the crew miserably, and I cannot wait to cancel my membership if the strike is planned after the next ballot. I refuse to hold VS in the way the 'militants' want to. Yes, a rise is nice, but crew need to be more realistic. If you don't like it, go elsewhere... and do not say you stay at VS because you love the Company. If you did, you would never dream of voting for a strike.

I am disappointed in the management team for challenging the crew, because I feel that this could have all been avoided. The union share the blame too. But the crew have made their bed, and will have to lie in it. I don't plan to stay at VS for long, so perhaps that taints my views. But those crew who refuse to leave need to think so so so carefully about what they are doing. Stop gossiping about this and that, stop scaring new crew, stop bad mouthing the company that saves you thousands on your holidays to places you would not get to visit earlier and THINK about what you are about to do! In the meantime, do the job you and I are meant to do. Serve the passengers and make them see why VS should be their carrier... I hate to say but I agree with the thought that the good will go and the weak will stay.

For those of you with flights, please try not to worry. Any action is purely speculative right now, and hopefully the mood will change. I for one am here to serve on any flight I work and that will not change.
#425093 by maz
08 Nov 2007, 17:48
Thank you beddersjnr25. A great post and very encouraging. It will be a shame when you leave VS.
#425099 by n/a
08 Nov 2007, 19:09
There's a problem with a culture that runs out good folks like beddersjnr25 and retains lesser talents.

Mr. Bedders, if I were CEO of a company, I would seriously consider hiring you on your attitude in this post alone.

GJ
#425265 by Denzil
10 Nov 2007, 12:32
So 'Just like the miners, just like the Rover workers, the end justifies the death of the industry/company' doesn't sound like one of AlanA's lines?? Though i'd guess as an ex military man you would just do as your told???
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