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#253971 by linguinigenie
06 Apr 2008, 17:33
The damaged plane at Cape Town (due to a passenger walkway collapsing) was not the beginning to the current mess where passengers are still stranded following the cancellation of the VS604 flight on Saturday 5th April.

It seems that originally Virgin had planned to operate the A340-600 for a further 3 weeks past the October-March season, thus extending passenger capacity into April as the smaller A340-300 is normally used. Unfortunately when this decision was reversed in November no-one made the necessary amendments to availability on bookings.

Consequently the day before the scheduled flight passengers were told the flight was oversold and they would be shunted to Jo'berg connections or held up until April 8th.

When the A340-300 turned up and was damaged all those passengers who had fought to keep their seats on the original aircraft were given less than 6 hours notice of the cancellation.

To add flames to the fire Virgin staff had shut the desk inside the terminal and airport staff had to handle enquiries until the crowd got so bad ticketing staff were brought down to talk to passengers. And all on a weekend when the customer relations office was closed. Skeleton staff had to repeatedly put customers on hold while they referred to supervisers for advice.

The closely guarded excellent customer service for which Virgin has rightly been so proud looks like it has been eroded pretty badly.

I'm a passionate Virgin flyer (with a girlfriend in the US) and have argued with older members of my family who prefer BA over the airline. Sadly they are all on this trip and now think Virgin are awful.

It's a real shame and we are still stuck here with no Virgin representatives to be seen or heard in person, by SMS or email.

We're supposed to back at work tomorrow... heeelp!
#440053 by Nottingham Nick
06 Apr 2008, 17:44
Unfortunately this isn't the first instance that has been posted where the (presumably outsourced) staff at non-UK airports do not cope well when things go wrong. [n]

I know this doesn't help you in your current predicament - I hope it sorts itself out, somehow, and you manage to get back to the snow of Blighty soon.

Nick
#440054 by n/a
06 Apr 2008, 17:47
An utter shame. I'm sorry you are suffering through this.

GJ
#440060 by virginboy747
06 Apr 2008, 18:30
Really sorry to hear about your nightmare in cape town. as crew i have to say, that quite often when there is a problem, the groundstaff tend to vanish, though there are occassions when they really shine, i guess it just depends who's on duty on the day. you have been so unlucky to have all this happen to you and i hope virgin manage to sort it.
the last few days have seen several aircraft have 'accidents'. apart from cpt, an engineer in lagos left a torch in one of the engines of a 340-600 so of course the engine was written off, and a 340-600 in lax had problems with the landing gear and got stuck there. as we dont have any spare planes, this must be causing a major headache for ops. add to this the snow today, and delays of around five hours for all our flights at lgw. just glad i'm on days off, but lots of my friends are stuck all over the place. it never rains but it pours!
#440087 by mattj
06 Apr 2008, 22:41
Does anyone have any idea if the VS39 (LHR-ORD) cancellation tomorrow (Monday) is related to the CPT incident? I'm guessing it might well be, given that VS39/40 is a 340-300 route and (if ExpertFlyer is anything to go by) the loading for the flight is on the poor side (only about half full!)...
#440101 by slinky09
07 Apr 2008, 07:37
Oh dear it does sound as though the poor VS039 has become the fall guy for problems elsewhere again ... is this the 6th or 7th cancellation so far this year, must be running close to 10% of all flights.
#440104 by linguinigenie
07 Apr 2008, 07:47
My girlfriend lives in Chicago and I've flown the 300 to ORD before. I remember it was a 300 as I noticed the ODYSSEY entertainment system, it being a bit poo compared to the amazing V:PORT.

I suspect this 300 was the aircraft that was brought to CPT for the aircraft change and had its door nearly ripped off.

I heard word of a 4-6 week repair time?

Regarding CPT, the office staff have been really bad. Telephone training sorely needed. Felt like I was buying car insurance at some points.

There has been no word from Virgin Atlantic since Saturday evening but I've managed to email the airport manager after our hotel manager dissolved under weight of complaints and started giving it out.

I feel sorry for the crew staying at this hotel they are getting it on the hour every hour from angry passengers. And they've been so nice.

I'm aiming for a Tuesday departure direct to LHR. We can't practically do a Jo'berg connection as one of our group needs special assistance and is on bags of medication.

It's the 600 that goes direct on Tuesday right?
#440108 by virginboy747
07 Apr 2008, 09:22
According to the schedule this route is only operated by an A340-300 in april, but with one plane out of action and lots of stranded pax, they would be wise to send an A340-600. I just checked the loads and it is indeed showing that an A340-600 is flying out tonight. It's overbooked coming home by about 40, so I'd get there early for check in.
#440114 by linguinigenie
07 Apr 2008, 11:33
Thanks for the info virginboy747.

We have chatted to some Virgin crew staying at our hotel who say they are due to go back to LHR on a 600 tomorrow (Tuesday). If it's already overbooked and there are also 300 passengers stuck in CPT I don't see a happy resolution on the horizon yet.

There's been talk from the passengers of Virgin chartering an aircraft. However, there are also passengers who have a final destination of Germany and Ireland who might be able to route via Jo'berg. Which might help.

The airport manager is coming over for a meeting in half an hour. This morning we were called to a meeting to talk with a Virgin rep and were greeted by someone from Dispatch. The mind boggles. She couldn't reach anyone or provide info either.

I found out later that one of the passengers has a colleague who plays golf with a senior Virgin bigwig, that's probably our best bet right now!

[:w]
#440118 by virginboy747
07 Apr 2008, 11:58
I really do feel for you. The other option Virgin should be looking at would be putting stranded pax on the two BA flights which are usually 747s, so I would check that out as well. They have a responsibility to get you home. Virgin might send out an extra aircraft, but I guess the only way they could do this would be to amalgamate two of the new yorks to free up an aircraft.
Hope you get some good news from your meeting.[:?]
#440120 by marko
07 Apr 2008, 12:11
Its not going well on the CPT route, we flew out on the 1st in UC and at check-in were offered 600 euros, 2 nights in a good cape town hotel and guaranteed flights 2 days later. I had to return on the 1st or I would have accepted!!!

ON boarding the plane the APU was broken, the fuel truck broke down and the units used to start the engines was broken and they could not find another one. All in all 1.5 hours spent in a VERY hot plane. Several very irrate passengers were asking to be offloaded due to the excessive heat down the back and a lack of information passed by the Captain and FSM did not help. At least we left that night.

Oh well the joy of international travel.
#440133 by linguinigenie
07 Apr 2008, 15:04
Thanks again for your advice virginboy747.

The amalgamation of NYC flights to free up an aircraft is a solution many of the passengers are suggesting.

Unfortunately the airport duty manager broke down in tears after 20 minutes with a conference room of furious passengers getting angrier every minute. She was clearly briefed poorly and had no viable solution. She was the first official Virgin Atlantic representative the passengers have had contact with since the Saturday cancellation almost 48 hours ago.

Apparently some 50 passengers staying in other hotels were sent to Jo'berg but then no flights were available so they are still there waiting.

We have had some crazy proposals from this poor junior executive, including flying via Jo'berg and Abu Dhabi or Jo'berg and Nairobi. 30 hour round trips to London if I am correct?

BA, Air France et al are charging £5,000 a ticket to fly out of Jo'berg tonight. An option many business passengers are considering.

Shame a multi-million dollar, global airline like Virgin Atlantic prefers to put a full aircraft complement of passengers in a 5* hotel for 3 nights and counting (as of tonight) instead of solving the problem. And then there's the compensation and expenses. Run the numbers chaps. Then charter us a plane!
#440136 by virginboy747
07 Apr 2008, 15:13
All I can say is i'm gobsmacked by the way they are handling (or not handling) this! Someone needs to take control and make some decisions. Sadly it looks like the usual lack of communication between departments, but for them to have no representative available since saturday is totally unaaceptable.
#440177 by 747340
07 Apr 2008, 21:02
Carry on this way and no one will need to worry Virgin Atlantic will be history

RIP
#440179 by slinky09
07 Apr 2008, 21:06
I should think VS are thanking T5 to the skies for keeping this out of the news.

Why people aren't being shifted on to BA or SA as quickly as possible is dumbfounding.
#440198 by mattj
07 Apr 2008, 22:04
Looks like Ops are having an interesting time of it. I'm flying VS39 tomorrow (hence my interest in its cancellation today!) and ExpertFlyer's seatmap is suggesting that it has been switched to a 346 at some point today. Certainly makes sense since the loading on it was rammo in Y for a 343 as of this morning. I just wonder which flight has got the short straw tomorrow though. :-/
#440207 by vscss
07 Apr 2008, 22:48
The VS350/VS351 LHR-BOM has been cancelled tomorrow (8th April)
This will free up a A340-300.

The VS39/VS40 LHR-ORD tomorrow (8th April) is operating on a A340-600
The loads are not full either: J has 24 spare, W 19 spare and Y 27 spare.

The VS604 CPT-LHR on 8th is not looking good, its on a A340-600 however it is VERY oversold: J over by 8, W over by 7, and Y over by 39. If you are on this flight get to the airport ASAP!!
#440275 by linguinigenie
08 Apr 2008, 13:53
We met with the Head of Sales and the SA country Head over the last 24 hours. A 300 has been flown from London via Nairobi to arrive in CPT about an hour ago. The crew are getting 12 hours rest and then we fly out of CPT at 1:30AM Wednesday.

Since the configuration (we are told) is without the flat beds in Upper Class I guess this is an older model. It's due for refurbishment tomorrow apparently.

It sounds like an old crate being used to fly the African routes.

I'll be taking all my valium on this flight. I'm a pretty nervous flyer as it is after panic attacks on the London Underground.

Thanks to all of you for keeping the information flowing and filling the communication vacuum that Virgin created.

I spoke with the SA Head an hour ago and it turns out he is new as of March. A baptism of fire indeed. He meets with Branson in Nairobi in a couple of weeks apparently. I'd like to be a fly on that wall.

There has been talk from him that compensation will stretch to double the miles return flights. Should be interesting.

Cheers to you all!
#440276 by virginboy747
08 Apr 2008, 13:57
They must have brought G-VSUN back out of the hangar just before they started refitting it, so yep will be J2000 seats. Hopefully your nightmare will soon be over and you'll be home
#440550 by linguinigenie
09 Apr 2008, 18:12
Home at last. Rainbow Lady (G-VSUN) is a real piece of history. The cabin crew had to spray insecticide aerosols throughout. We were asked to close our eyes. My sister found three apples down the back of her seat. Cox's Pippins!

It shook and creaked like crazy on the final approach. I seriously thought my dental records would be needed to identify me. A real bumpy rollercoaster ride all the way. I guess it didn't help that the crew were two people down and the pilots had only the minimum 12 hours R&R before getting back in the cockpit.

The promised letter (regarding compensation) to be handed to us at the airport didn't materialise for several passengers. It seems we had to ask for it rather than be given it. Virgin have said they have no liability towards us as the fault lies with the ACSA. So under EU legislation we get nothing. We were offered 50,000 flying miles as a back hander instead. Does't really cover my mobile phone bill, laundry, food bills etc. Not to mention three unpaid days off work.

The Virgin management who said they'd be there at the airport to make sure things went smoothly and wave us off were nowhere to be seen. I think the flight was 45 minutes late taking off. So we got going at 2:15AM.

Oh well as they say TIA ... (This is Africa).
#440551 by slinky09
09 Apr 2008, 18:14
Congratulations on making it home - but a Virgin customer relations disaster to the end, oh woe. I wonder if this means V-SUN will have missed its refurbishment slot and will go back into service until it can be rescheduled ... bet I get it on my ORD flight next week [:(].
#440553 by honey lamb
09 Apr 2008, 18:28
The cabin crew had to spray insecticide aerosols throughout.

This was nothing to do with the aircraft in particular as it happens on all flights from South Africa and also other destinations. It was done on my Dubai flight on Monday and IIRC when leaving Oz (although I stand to be corrected on that)

Glad you are safely back though. Welcome home
#440583 by DragonLady
09 Apr 2008, 21:53
Originally posted by honey lamb
The cabin crew had to spray insecticide aerosols throughout.

This was nothing to do with the aircraft in particular as it happens on all flights from South Africa and also other destinations. It was done on my Dubai flight on Monday and IIRC when leaving Oz (although I stand to be corrected on that)

Glad you are safely back though. Welcome home


And on arrival in OZ too HL.Close your eyes and hold your nose[xx(] Plays hell with your hair- mine allways thinks it's a liberal spraying of Elnett and reacts accordingly[:X]
As HL says- nothing to do with the aircraft. Simply due to the vagaries of the country you happen to arriving in/ departing from.
DL
#440585 by declansmith
09 Apr 2008, 21:57
It shook and creaked like crazy on the final approach.

Thats not unique to G-VSUN all of the A340-300 creak and shake!!!

Its all the plastic airbus use to make them![:D][:)]
#440588 by virginboy747
09 Apr 2008, 22:08
With one 340-300 out of action, I daresay G-VSUN will be back in service until the plane in CPT is fixed. We dont have a spare a/c so it's a toss-up between cancelling a flight a day or keeping Rainbow Lady from her refit for a few more weeks.
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