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#254692 by preiffer
03 Jun 2008, 21:26
Yup, they've finally gone ABSOLUTELY bonkers.

That's it.


Last minute business trip? Nope.
Last minute getways? Nope.
Surprise fare sales 'for the weekend? Nope.

[ii]

For ref, also here and here.


Well done, USA. Once again, you've shown your government should not be trusted with anything more influential than a stickle-brick...
#444808 by mitchja
03 Jun 2008, 21:31
Oh joy [:w]

Question though - how's that going to work for airline crews though? Stand-by goes out of the window.

Regards
#444810 by Guest
03 Jun 2008, 21:36
Originally posted by mitchja
Oh joy [:w]

Question though - how's that going to work for airline crews though? Stand-by goes out of the window.

Regards

I would imagine aircrew have a 5 year Visa. I am not aircrew but as I work extensively in the USA I have one - great thing about it too means I get to use the USA channel too !
#444812 by mitchja
03 Jun 2008, 21:38
I guess full VISA's are the way to go for everybody.

Regards
#444813 by preiffer
03 Jun 2008, 21:38
Originally posted by hackneyguy
I am not aircrew but as I work extensively in the USA I have one - great thing about it too means I get to use the USA channel too !


Umm - technically you shouldn't. I'm *presuming* you mean an H1-B? The US channel is supposed to be for 'Permanent Residents and Green card holders' only. Certainly when I had my H1-B, we had to use the visitors and non-permanent area.
#444814 by Guest
03 Jun 2008, 21:40
Originally posted by mitchja
I guess full VISA's are the way to go for everybody.

Regards


Indeed - as long as you have never had a criminal conviction or are HIV+ they are simple to get and makes life much easier.
#444824 by buns
03 Jun 2008, 22:07
Originally posted by hackneyguy
Originally posted by mitchja
I guess full VISA's are the way to go for everybody.

Regards


Indeed - as long as you have never had a criminal conviction or are HIV+ they are simple to get and makes life much easier.


but not cheap ($130) and the wait times are horrendous and the forms you have to fill in.....

I suspect that this system would collapse far quicker and create the potential for devastating the US economy in certain States by restricting tourism.

I agree with Preiffer - bonkers

buns
#444826 by Guest
03 Jun 2008, 22:11
Originally posted by buns4vs
Originally posted by hackneyguy
Originally posted by mitchja
I guess full VISA's are the way to go for everybody.

Regards


Indeed - as long as you have never had a criminal conviction or are HIV+ they are simple to get and makes life much easier.


but not cheap ($130) and the wait times are horrendous and the forms you have to fill in.....

I suspect that this system would collapse far quicker and create the potential for devastating the US economy in certain States by restricting tourism.

I agree with Preiffer - bonkers

buns


Really ?? I completed mine online - one simple page, printed it off with the bar mark and sent off with passport. Passport returned with visa duly attached 3 working days later.
#444836 by adjonline
03 Jun 2008, 22:35
The BBC News report on this today suggested it wasn't quite this annoying. Their report said that the scheme - and I have to confess I don't really understand the point of the scheme quite so much in this case - will require registration at least seventy-two hours before travel, but once you have registered once, that registration will be valid for up to two years.

EDITED TO ADD:

This is confirmed by the DHS at http://www.dhs.gov/xnews/releases/pr_1212498186436.shtm. They say:

'ESTA will determine, almost immediately in many cases, if an individual is eligible for VWP travel, and if such travel poses any law enforcement or security risks. ESTA applications may be submitted at any time prior to travel, and once approved, will be valid for up to two years or until the applicant's passport expires, whichever comes first. Authorizations will also be valid for multiple entries into the U.S'.

It also says that 'currently, citizens of VWP countries complete a written I-94W form providing basic biographical, travel, and eligibility information while en-route to the U.S. With ESTA, VWP travelers will provide this information online prior to departure for the U.S'. This implies to me an end to green I94-Ws, which leaves me actually liking the sound of this scheme.
#444837 by Scrooge
03 Jun 2008, 22:39
don't wanna go on a RANT here but America's foreign policy makes about as much sense as Beowolf having sex with Robert Fulton at the first Battle of Antetum. I mean when a neo-conservative defenestrates it's like Raskalnakov filibuster dioxymonohydrostinate.
#444839 by mitchja
03 Jun 2008, 22:46
Just found this:

Q: If people have received ESTA approval, do they also need to fill out an I-94W?

A: DHS has been coordinating with commercial air and vessel carriers on the development and implementation of messaging capabilities for passenger data transmissions that will enable DHS to provide the carriers with messages pertaining to a passenger's boarding status. A prospective VWP traveler's ESTA status is a component of a passenger's boarding status that has been introduced into the plans for implementing messaging capabilities between DHS and the carriers. The implementation of the ESTA program will allow DHS to eventually eliminate the requirement that VWP travelers complete an I-94W prior to being admitted to the United States.

After Jan. 12, 2009, a VWP traveler with a valid ESTA will not be required to complete the paper Form I-94W when arriving on a carrier that is capable of receiving and validating messages pertaining to the traveler's ESTA status as part of the traveler's boarding status. Until ESTA is mandatory, however, all VWP travelers applying for admission at a U.S. port of entry, including those VWP travelers who possess a voluntary ESTA authorization, must still present the Form I-94W to U.S. Customs and Border Protection.


So eventually, no you wont need to fill in a green I-94W form.

Regards
#444860 by mas66
04 Jun 2008, 00:45
Originally posted by preiffer
Yup, they've finally gone ABSOLUTELY bonkers.

That's it.


Last minute business trip? Nope.
Last minute getways? Nope.
Surprise fare sales 'for the weekend? Nope.

[ii]

For ref, also here and here.


Well done, USA. Once again, you've shown your government should not be trusted with anything more influential than a stickle-brick...


Calm Down .. Calm Down ..... [;)]

' Travelers are not required to have specific plans to travel to the United States under the VWP before they apply for an ESTA authorization. DHS recommends that an ESTA approval be obtained as soon as a VWP traveler begins to plan a trip to the United States, and no later than 72 hours before departure. ESTA has, however, been designed to allow for the accommodation of last minute and emergency travelers '

Taken from DHS website

Cheers

Mark[:D]
#444882 by FamilyMan
04 Jun 2008, 09:53
Not too keen on this one though...

From CNN Report
Initially, there will be no fee to apply for travel authorization, although one may be imposed later


'may' normally means 'will' as far as governments and money is concerned.

FM
#444906 by willd
04 Jun 2008, 15:12
Its my understanding although ISTBC that this is not as bad as it first seems. Last night C4 news was stating that registration with the authorities 72 hours before you fly only needs to be done once every two years.

So you register for your trip in Jan 2009 and they hold your details until Jan 2011 meaning you do not have to do the filling in for 2 years.
#444929 by mike-smashing
04 Jun 2008, 17:59
I really don't see how this is significantly different than the Australian ETA system, other than the administration running it and their stickle-brick wrangling clue.

Mike
#444936 by buns
04 Jun 2008, 20:24
Originally posted by hackneyguy

Really ?? I completed mine online - one simple page, printed it off with the bar mark and sent off with passport. Passport returned with visa duly attached 3 working days later.


Sorry to have to disagree, but current situation as posted on the US Embassy Site:

With limited exceptions, nonimmigrant visa applicants aged 14 to 79 are required to schedule an appointment for an interview with a U.S. consular officer. Interviews are by appointment only. The Embassy does not accept walk-in applications.


Perhaps a sign of the times

buns
#444941 by baloobear
04 Jun 2008, 20:50
Completely agree with Mike Smashing - perhaps the US could learn off our Australian friends - the ETA system was quick, easy AND valid for a year....
#445005 by MarkedMan
05 Jun 2008, 17:58
Originally posted by buns4vs
Originally posted by hackneyguy

Really ?? I completed mine online - one simple page, printed it off with the bar mark and sent off with passport. Passport returned with visa duly attached 3 working days later.


Sorry to have to disagree, but current situation as posted on the US Embassy Site:

With limited exceptions, nonimmigrant visa applicants aged 14 to 79 are required to schedule an appointment for an interview with a U.S. consular officer. Interviews are by appointment only. The Embassy does not accept walk-in applications.



Times have indeed changed. Also, the procedures vary sometimes dramatically between different Consular Visa offices, usually based on how busy those offices are; Consulates have quite a bit of latitude on how they define execution of these processes.

The last time I did one in London was four years ago, and you could indeed mail the application under less stringent criteria than the ones they have now. I got my passport back in about ten business days. Since then, pretty much everyone has moved to requiring interviews, which in a place as busy as London can make this a nightmare.

The last time I had to do a visa a couple of years ago I was in Italy. I had to make an 'appointment', which consisted of going to a consulate window and handing in the papers, quick check and 'see you later'. They had the passport available for pickup for me at the end of the day, on my request. Business was orderly, and the place was not crowded, few student types hanging out on the riverfront outside smoking cigs waiting to be called in for their appointment, the usual italian carabinieri with heavy artillery pretending to be hard, but nothing like London would be.

It's luck of the draw ... though I'd say if you have to get a quick visa, a bit of 'visa tourism' around Europe could be justified. For the price of a ryanair or easyjet ticket you could find a consular office that will offer far quicker service than your local one, and have a quick holiday to boot.
#445006 by adjonline
05 Jun 2008, 18:01
My (albeit limited!) experience found the Belfast Consulate tremendously more efficient than the London Embassy.
#445011 by slinky09
05 Jun 2008, 18:32
And we used to complain about the Indian consulate and getting visas ... other than the crowds and chaos, I can be in and out of there with a multi year business visa in 90 mins.

If the online process is as reported, I don't see this as to onerous and I'm afraid to say that data protection may just as well be forgotten about. Just hope the US government doesn't lose disks in all directions like elsewhere ...

What I am confused about however is the I94W form process ...

After Jan. 12, 2009, a VWP traveler with a valid ESTA will not be required to complete the paper Form I-94W when arriving on a carrier that is capable of receiving and validating messages pertaining to the traveler's ESTA status as part of the traveler's boarding status.


We'll still have to go through the queues and the fingerprinting and the misery of US border protection will we not?

I for one think that if the pain of queuing for a visa, with whatever added checks however the US government wanted, meant avoiding this, I'd do it.
#445014 by baldbrit
05 Jun 2008, 19:25
Originally posted by adjonline
My (albeit limited!) experience found the Belfast Consulate tremendously more efficient than the London Embassy.


My experience at the London office was far from efficient, but that was 12 years ago. I do recall thinking at the time that I was going to be living in someone else's country, and as such, I should be patient and accept the regulations (and inefficiencies) out of respect. It was my choice to move, and I should be grateful that I was being awarded the opportunity to enter the USA.

Today's situation is no different. Respect the opportunity you are being offered, or make the decision not to visit if you are concerned by the new requirements.

It took me a long time to try and write this post in a tone that isn't confrontational or rude. Hopefully I succeeded. No need for flames here, my intentions are good.
#445021 by Scrooge
05 Jun 2008, 20:19
Originally posted by slinky09


We'll still have to go through the queues and the fingerprinting and the misery of US border protection will we not?




I would think so seeing as I still have to with my green card.
#445048 by Guest
06 Jun 2008, 01:09
Originally posted by buns4vs
Originally posted by hackneyguy

Really ?? I completed mine online - one simple page, printed it off with the bar mark and sent off with passport. Passport returned with visa duly attached 3 working days later.


Sorry to have to disagree, but current situation as posted on the US Embassy Site:

With limited exceptions, nonimmigrant visa applicants aged 14 to 79 are required to schedule an appointment for an interview with a U.S. consular officer. Interviews are by appointment only. The Embassy does not accept walk-in applications.


Perhaps a sign of the times

buns


I understand that everyone's experience is different, however I am not sure why you feel you have to disagree with what ACTUALLY happended to me ???

It was painful and I did NOT have to attend for an interview - that is a fact. Perhaps I am one of the exceptions - I dont know why, however as I said I have a visa and it was one form online, painless, and quick not as you originally posted.

Why not give it a try yourself ? At worst it can be as you nposted but it may be like my experience which wasnt too bad !

Interested to hear of others actual experience of getting the visa - once got it makes travel to US sooooo much smoother to.

Rgds HG
#445053 by Decker
06 Jun 2008, 03:21
I had an L1 for a while and in my experience it made travel more complicated as the questioning became more intrusive. Even now I get 'Oh so you used to have an L1 what happened?' type questions from time to time.
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