Screaming Children

I dont mind kids in the cabin, so long as they are quiet,

Originally posted by G_NEUS
Whilst I agree that good parenting and prior preparation can significantly impact on a child's inflight behaviour, surely the following was a joke.

Originally posted by RichardMannion
Regardless, a well placed foot or elbow can have some entertaining results.

I doubt very much it was a joke. I personally would trip a child running up and down the cabin if I could get away with it.

GJ

[Darren Wheeler]

Never an easy answer to this one (or at least not legally).

While the parents do have the ultimate responsibility, the crew need to challenge inappropriate behaviour at an early stage. OK, it won't work on the screaming baby but at least it puts a bit of pressure to resolve the issue.

There is a post on hear about the parents bouncing the screaming poop factory for the whole flight so 'they would sleep on the long drive home'

Originally posted by Darren Wheeler
There is a post on hear about the parents bouncing the screaming poop factory for the whole flight so 'they would sleep on the long drive home'

Thats terrible !! Maybe a couple of shots of Vodka in its bottle may sort it out.

[honey lamb]

Originally posted by RichardMannion
Regardless, a well placed foot or elbow can have some entertaining results.

On the aforementioned screaming toddler flight of ours the toddler in question had clearly summed up Aer John as 'not an adult' and wanted him to be his new best friend! As a result he was forever trying to get John to play either by pulling at his legs or bashing him over the head with his drinking cup. John, who was trying to snooze, was sorely tempted to kick him at some stage. His defence would have been that he thought it was the cat who had a habit of sleeping on his legs. [}:)]

Originally posted by Darren Wheeler
While the parents do have the ultimate responsibility, the crew need to challenge inappropriate behaviour at an early stage. OK, it won't work on the screaming baby but at least it puts a bit of pressure to resolve the issue.

Agreed, it is ALL about parenting (well apart from some babies or toddlers who may not be on the leash yet...). If you have a child over the age of 3 who isn't in control (and can't be made to behave appropriately in public), then don't inflict the child on the general public...

Makes me very angry: parenting isn't a right, it is a huge responsiblity (developing a child into a good human being). Parents should be held responsible for their child's behaviour.

Boo

Yep it's the parents responsibility.

I used to hate noisy kids on planes (still do i suppose)...

Then 'baby whoops' one and two came along. Dilemma, do we still fly?

Well, I still wanted my holidays so we did. On 2 flights my daughter (18 months and then 30 months) did a couple of hours crying/screaming (on the return night flight, of course!). We assumed air pressure in ears etc. There is really nothing you can do this except walk up and down craddling the poor thing(which annoys passengers as well) and, as was the case on both flights, take advantage of a great crew, who let us hide in the galley (reduce the noise a bit), took turns on the comforting and managed to dig out some kalpol, which we had run out of. (top marks there!)

Now, the kids are 5 and 9 and they are model flyers. They do not run around, they walk. They do not keep on playing with their screen or the seat back pocket, they read, watch their programs etc. I have made sure that they don't do anything that would have annoyed me as a childless passenger. They enjoy flying and like behaving like adult passengers, makes them feel grown up. Other passengers have complemented us on the behaviour of our children, so it can be done.

It's our first Upper Class flight in August, I am confident the kids will not be a problem in an environment where there may perceived to be less tolerance.

Grow up the lot of you , you were once kids and thank god your parents didnt have the same attitude as you, if they did you wouldent be here today.

Its hard with kids on planes, and no one goes out there way on purpose to annoy passengers with kids.

I always fly UC with my kids and they have much right to be in there as you guys , oh and by the way I wonder what the kids think of adults pissed at the UC bar

One all!!!

Originally posted by 747340


One all!!!

Hmmm. Didn't know it was a contest.

Top tips when travelling with children:



Impose a strict limit on jr. of only two mojitos in the Clubhouse



Ensure that jr. doesn't bother other passengers



Keep a clean and tidy suite at all times



Make the most of the in-flight entertainment

Too funny Mdvipond

Love those pictures......She is SO cute and as we hear/read a dream to fly with.[y]

Originally posted by 747340
Grow up the lot of you , you were once kids and thank god your parents didnt have the same attitude as you, if they did you wouldent be here today.

Its hard with kids on planes, and no one goes out there way on purpose to annoy passengers with kids.

I always fly UC with my kids and they have much right to be in there as you guys , oh and by the way I wonder what the kids think of adults pissed at the UC bar

One all!!!

Playing out exactly as planned...

GJ

Originally posted by 747340
[oh and by the way I wonder what the kids think of adults pissed at the UC bar

Oh bugger [:w]

Playing out exactly as planned...

GJ

Think I have been here before[?][:I][:I][:w]

Originally posted by 747340
Grow up the lot of you , you were once kids and thank god your parents didnt have the same attitude as you, if they did you wouldent be here today.

Very true, I once was a kid... BUT if I misbehaved on a plane, then I really WOULDN'T be here today... [B)][:0]

Learning discipline and consideration for others really didn't hurt me (although I sometimes get frustrated when other people lack these attributes...).

As mdvipond, slipperman and others have said, you CAN bring up kids to behave well on planes (give or take a few exceptional circumstances with tiny, tiny ones).

Mdvipond, what a cutie! [:)]

Boo

Originally posted by 747340
Grow up the lot of you , you were once kids and thank god your parents didnt have the same attitude as you, if they did you wouldent be here today.

Its hard with kids on planes, and no one goes out there way on purpose to annoy passengers with kids.

I always fly UC with my kids and they have much right to be in there as you guys , oh and by the way I wonder what the kids think of adults pissed at the UC bar

I dont think the thread is about hating kids on flights, or kids not being entitled to fly, its about brats being allowed to run riot and disturb everyone else on the a/c and the parents doing nothing to stop it.

Everyone accepts that sometimes toddlers throw a wobbler or little ones have problems with their ears and I'v always felt so sorry for the poor parents in those situations who are doing everything they can to pacify the child. I also have kids of my own so understand exactly what it is they are going through.

Everybody is entitled to enjoy a relaxing flight and nobody should have to put up with ill mannered kids OR loud mouth drunks at the bar.

Its called consideration for others [:)]
One all!!!

Originally posted by 747340

Its hard with kids on planes, ...

Sorry to disagree with you here, but it is quite easy to fly with kids. It is called preparation and instilling a standard of behaviour in the kids that enables you to take them out without inflicting any negative behaviour on anyone else. (obvioulsly not talking about very young ones here)

Mine are now slightly older (19 & 12), but we have never had any worries about taking them on flights. Mrs S would always buy new things (games / books / etc that cost pennies) when they were younger, but would be unveilled on the flight.

I have no doubt that the same kids will be the ones found running around a restaurant - another one of my pet hates. I have said to many people, I bet the parents would be the first to complain if little Johnny got a steaming pot of tea spilled over after him bumping into a waiter (same sort of thing could happen on an aircraft I suppose).

[fozzyo]

Originally posted by spiceke
I have said to many people, I bet the parents would be the first to complain if little Johnny got a steaming pot of tea spilled over after him bumping into a waiter (same sort of thing could happen on an aircraft I suppose).

Very easily! I was on a flight in Y with an exit row seat, a couple with small toddler took over the four bulk head seats so they little one had some room to play on the floor. But apparently that wasn't enough, no they would let it crawl down the aisle, leave toys in the middle of the aisle. Several people need stood on hands, and it very nearly got smacked in the head with the trolley at one point.

Mat

Originally posted by spiceke

Originally posted by 747340

Its hard with kids on planes, ...

Sorry to disagree with you here, but it is quite easy to fly with kids. It is called preparation and instilling a standard of behaviour in the kids that enables you can take them out without inflicting any negative behaviour on anyone else. (obvioulsly not talking about very young ones here)

Mine are now slightly older (19 & 12), but we have never had any worries about taking them on flights. Mrs S would always buy new things (games / books / etc that cost pennies) when they were younger, but would be unveilled on the flight.

And things are a LOT easier than when I was a child... (I am 34 now, to give some context). The first times I flew to the US, I was 6, 7, 8 and 13. I flew shorter haul pre 6 years old. In those days there were no seat back TVs (just one screen at the front of the cabin - where I first became a fan of 'Quincy'...) and no kiddie amenity kits (like Virgin gives). Although I don't THINK that travel games were a big thing back then - certainly my parents didn't buy much (I remember having one ever). I don't think that it even occured to my parents that I would require 'entertianment' [:(]. Maybe, in those days, kids required less entretainment and stimulation? Still, if I had misbehaved (whined, run up and down the aisles, kicked the seat in front, screamed, yelled), there would have been murder at 33,000 feet... [:0]

Now days travelling with kids is a LOT easier than back then - there is so much more to keep them entertained and busy. I wish that I was a kid travelling these days than back in the early 80s...

Boo

I absolutly agree with so many of the replies to my original post. Dont get me wrong - im not against young children on flights. In my experience, most of them behave fantastically and they are a real credit to their parents and upbringing. What I find so annoying is that the real minority spoil it for everyone else. As I originally indicated the attitude 'oh youre so clever' every time they scream makes me want to 'accidently' recline my seat so suddenly that the screamer kicks dad in the appropriate place..... no more children for him! he he he he!

Originally posted by fozzyo
Very easily! I was on a flight in Y with an exit row seat, a couple with small toddler took over the four bulk head seats so they little one had some room to play on the floor. But apparently that wasn't enough, no they would let it crawl down the aisle, leave toys in the middle of the aisle. Several people need stood on hands, and it very nearly got smacked in the head with the trolley at one point.

An experience from a non-VS flight. Couple lay child down to sleep in the aisle.[:0]. No, really, they did. They said 'he always has his nap at this time', people could step over him and surely the trolley service could be suspended?

One thing my kids always do on flights is ask the cabin crew if they want them to go around collecting the rubish for them, the cabin crew are always happy to give them a couple of bags and the girls wander around all the seats so everyone can throw their rubbish away, they do this a few times on long haul flights, it passes a bit of time and the cabin crew always seem grateful to have ''little helpers'' on board [:)]

Originally posted by pjh
An experience from a non-VS flight. Couple lay child down to sleep in the aisle.[:0]. No, really, they did. They said 'he always has his nap at this time', people could step over him and surely the trolley service could be suspended?

Apparently this is quite common on some routes - people attempting to lie themselves or their kids out along the aisles.

Normally the crew take a firm stance on this - because it IS a safety risk. Infact on some routes I have heard an announcement early on during a night flight to say that this will NOT be tolerated...

Boo

I was on an Air India flight once when an elderly grandfather bringing a very small child back from New York, on realising there wasn't a seat booked for the baby tried to put him/her in the overhead locker!!! It took a great deal of shouting and hand gestures by the crew to make him appreciate he was expected to look after said baby for the entire journey!