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#455255 by wanderingmariner
25 Sep 2008, 19:29
Whilst i dont want to annoy anyone who turns right on a regular basis, you cant exactly expect the earth for the prices you pay back there.

The premium cabins heavily subsidise the economy seats and therefor should get a better deal than economy, if you want the niceties then pay the extra.

I do agree that if a change was to be made food wise on east coast flights then having a snack after boarding and a better breakfast would be the way to go.
#455256 by Decker
25 Sep 2008, 19:40
Perhaps they modelled the breakfast on the Hilton Homewood Suites 'take away breakfast' which gives you an Otis Spunkmeyer muffin, a granola bar, an apple, a bottle of water and some mints. You can just see the strokey beard meeting now.... Hmmm let's model our breakfasts on a ritzy hotel chain... How about the Conrad... no that's more for upper... the Hilton.. premium ermmmm Homewood Suites? Oooooh you might have something.
#455316 by The Moderators
26 Sep 2008, 00:45
The moderators have taken the decision to delete a number of posts in this thread. This is not a decision that we take lightly as we pride ourselves on the independence of V-Flyer as a factual resource for all things VS related. However this independence does not come at the cost of courtesy. Posters are welcome to hold negative views of VS and to express those views as eloquently and at as great a length as they wish. However we will not tolerate posts that are insulting or overly aggressive as it makes the forum an unwelcoming place for everybody but especially for our newer users.

Please feel free to continue this topic as it is now unlocked but be respectful of your fellow users be they pax or crew.

Thank you
#455319 by soledad-canyon
26 Sep 2008, 01:02
Well, that's democracy for you[|)]! My posts were not unduly negative, but were critical of the standards in general which have declined on Virgin since I have been flying, loyaly, with them since January 2003, and in particular the appalling cankered service that was delivered on VS18 yesterday, and during check in.

Only one post of mine contained two swear words which were carefully blotted out by me with * etc in order not to offend. Such Blasphemy!

If you really want, you can pay me £3 to write a pro VS18 trip report congratulating Virgin on exemplary service, with beautiful tasty modern food, problem free check in and inflight service where absolutely nothing went wrong!!!

£3 will go towards my household bills and council tax or a chosen charity of your choice.

[:D]
#455322 by slinky09
26 Sep 2008, 01:13
Why do I always miss the V-Flyer rows? Hmmm, stuck in NY, missing the #1 and my dogs and heck all hellers breaks lose on VF ... always happens, damn. What do I do, keep an RSS feed on my iPhone going 24x7?

PS Can I do that?
#455326 by Decker
26 Sep 2008, 01:27
I don't remember the paid up membership of the board who make it possible for you to post voting on allowing you in. So I think I can fairly confidently state that this private web site is not a democracy but rather is bound by the rules clearly laid out in the FAQs - to refresh your memory
The V-Flyer forums have some restrictions on what is considered appropriate. The Moderators reserve the right to delete posts which are off-topic, offensive or blatant advertising.... Continual abuse of the forums will lead to your account being locked. This may seem harsh, but the quality of these forums must be maintained for the enjoyment of others.


Your posts were rude about VS Staff (rude not critical) and contained examples of your ignorance of VS procedures which you held up as being proof positive that VS staff were liars or trying to cheat you in some way.

If you read around the board more you'll find plenty of ways of criticising VS Staff, VS Procedures, VS Equipment or just VS themselves that do not descend to name calling and gratuitous swearing. You're more than welcome to continue posting, but as your parents probably told you a few years back 'if you're living in our house you live by our rules'. Some of the most valued members of this site originally got off on the wrong foot so we don't 'mark cards'. Play nicely and we'll play nicely.
#455328 by aft1981
26 Sep 2008, 01:35
I wholeheartedly agree and sign up to this petition!

I normally fly PE from NYC to London, and pretty much the only thing I can complain about on any of the flights I've ever taken is the lackluster 'breakfast'. I'm not a huge chocolate fan, especially not for breakfast, but the muffins always seem to be the heaviest, richest, most chocolatey pile of stodge known to man! I could almost live with a nice blueberry muffin or something, but when breakfast comes round and you get offered a 5000 calorie chocolate muffin or that other square equally as stodgy chocolate thingy (you know the one I mean), I just have to pass.

I did just get to Gold last week though [:)] so the selfish side of me says ah well, at least I can have a nice breakfast in Revivals. However, if I'm travelling with someone else, or for the other couple hundred people on the plane making do with indigestible chocolate things, this is no good. I know the flights from NY and Boston are normally under 6 hours so it's not long after you had dinner, so the options should be light and tasty. So here is my list of viable alternatives, feel free to add!

-Yogurt
-Croissants
-Other fun pastries
-Fruit
-Bacon bap
-Cereal

Not all, but maybe a choice between 2 or 3 of them. Just no heavy chocolate. Please!
#455329 by slinky09
26 Sep 2008, 02:05
aft1981 I think your post is spot on [y]
#455330 by soledad-canyon
26 Sep 2008, 02:48
ok, I think you will find that if you re-read the message I posted about the food being served, it was rude and rightly so, the two swear words were used in context to described the food, not Virgin Staff. The only way the food will get better is to critize the product, if you're happy with what you are offered then that's fine, but many members on here and non members are not even happy with the menu, even in upper class (however some will just say it's great just because it's a virgin product), I certainly thought it was uneven when I tasted it on September 5th and many times i've read on here postings comparing the menus in all three cabins unfavourably with other airlines, whether you pay for the ticket or somebody else does.

The VS procedure that you talk about is inconsistant. I was offered an exit row seat at LAX in June this year with no need to pay for the exit row seat on top of the price of my ticket, however on VS18 check in Wednesday morning, I was told that I would have to pay for this exit row seat (at Newark), even though the Check in person knew the plane was half loaded, for a price of $65, who then proceded to say that I could wait until 7am and see what happens then. So trying to make money out of me, however little just for the sake of it is plainly rediculous and an absolute con, you might just be able to see it, even if you don't regularly travel in economy, as the majority of Virgin customers do, and the majority of airline passengers can only afford to do worldwide.

For me, whatever is paid for an airline ticket, it's all about customer service, for some, it's all about labels. Yesterday when the FA reset my IFE and then said he would be back in ten minutes to check on it and never did return in the 10 minutes and didn't come anywhere near me for the 2hour and 10 minutes left of the flight duration, I say that's customer service gone out the window, whether he purposefully didn't reattend to my IFE or not, that's not something I can prove. Many of you will ask the question why I didn't move seats as the plane was only half loaded, that was an option open to me, but not one I could be bothered to be honest, including moving all my belongings.

I think the point was made however, as I was handed a customer satisfaction form to fill in at the end, which I did, for whatever it is worth, which is probably not much.

Many of you who are flying in Upper Class and are wondering why the Suite is falling to bits (and it is), the menu is uneven and staff service is uneven, you may want to look at the airline itself as the chief protagonist in this steady decline, the cost cutting messures, IBT removal and demotivated staff who quite rightly threaten pay strikes.

Those of you who have paid the extra £500 on top of the economy price to sit in (what is for me) the uncomfortable PE seat for an extra banana or apple or granola bar for breakfast and food served on white crockery, may think you've got the deal of a lifetime, but for me you don't get much for much more than for what is purely cosmetic.

[:D]





Originally posted by Decker
I don't remember the paid up membership of the board who make it possible for you to post voting on allowing you in. So I think I can fairly confidently state that this private web site is not a democracy but rather is bound by the rules clearly laid out in the FAQs - to refresh your memory
The V-Flyer forums have some restrictions on what is considered appropriate. The Moderators reserve the right to delete posts which are off-topic, offensive or blatant advertising.... Continual abuse of the forums will lead to your account being locked. This may seem harsh, but the quality of these forums must be maintained for the enjoyment of others.


Your posts were rude about VS Staff (rude not critical) and contained examples of your ignorance of VS procedures which you held up as being proof positive that VS staff were liars or trying to cheat you in some way.

If you read around the board more you'll find plenty of ways of criticising VS Staff, VS Procedures, VS Equipment or just VS themselves that do not descend to name calling and gratuitous swearing. You're more than welcome to continue posting, but as your parents probably told you a few years back 'if you're living in our house you live by our rules'. Some of the most valued members of this site originally got off on the wrong foot so we don't 'mark cards'. Play nicely and we'll play nicely.
#455333 by Decker
26 Sep 2008, 04:52
OK one more post giving you the benefit of the doubt but frankly your behaviour is that of a Troll.

Your post is self serving. You omit the fact that you used rude words to describe staff (staff complained to the mods about it). We don't allow staff to use rude words to describe passengers, why should we allow it the other way around? You used gratuitous swearing to describe the food, this was unnecessary and out of keeping with the ethos of this forum. By definition you cannot be rude 'rightly so'.

If you genuinely believe that members here don't complain about the food and other aspects of the service then you are simply following your own agenda and ignoring the trip reports. In one of my own trip reports less than two weeks ago I comment 'As a main I had the chicken in asparagus sauce. My notes indicate that it was 'canteen food' - all right but nothing special'. I also comment in a TR on CO less than a week ago that CO show 'all in all it shows that it IS possible to serve hearty meals of a decent size'. This is not intended to personalise the debate, simply to point out that you are attacking straw men.

You appear to be offended that a member of staff followed SOP instead of waiving the rules as someone else did for you. As an employer I know who I'd prefer to have in my corner. A constant refrain on this board is that VS are inconsistent but you are complaining that they are inconsistent in not breaking the rules - the sort of inconsistency that VS would love to eliminate as it creates false expectations as you so clearly show.

Many of us WILL question why you didn't move and given that you didn't your subsequent kvetching will have much less substance.

As for customer satisfaction forms - personally I consider them worthless but that is a personal opinion not one of V-Flyer or of the mods in general.

The suites are NOT falling to bits - hyperbole wins no arguments here. The menu IS uneven and staff service is uneven. This point is made again and again by members without their feeling compelled to obscene invective and petty name calling.

Personally I am glad you have seen to outline your complaints in a more measured tone and I welcome the opportunity to respond to them in the same vein. My issue is that you seem to be tilting against windmills. A lot of the points you raise are already well acknowledged here and have been for some time. You seem to feel you have had some Damascene conversion which allows only you to see the light. The reality is that a large number of board members have already seen this light and have been politely suggesting that VS do something about it. They may not move at the speed we want but the changes in breakfast service show that someone is (partially) listening.
#455356 by soledad-canyon
26 Sep 2008, 13:49
Originally posted by Decker
They may not move at the speed we want but the changes in breakfast service show that someone is (partially) listening.



What changes are those? [?] Give some examples.
#455365 by Frosty
26 Sep 2008, 17:27
Erm the ones listed on this thread ?
#455369 by Scrooge
26 Sep 2008, 18:27
Originally posted by Frosty
Erm the ones listed on this thread ?


[:D]
#455372 by soledad-canyon
26 Sep 2008, 18:46
Very funny [V]

seriously, most of the complaints on here suggest the breakfast (in economy and PE) has deteriorated, I can't talk for Upper because I can't afford to fly in that cabin all the time. So the improvements that decker says have partially been taken on board by VS have been to remove Yoghurt from the breakfast and the melon and orange segment filled pot and replace it with some horrible stomach rumbling snack bar? Is that the improvement???

As a side note, I did manage to sneak a peach through security at Newark the other morning leaving that particular stone unturned.

Can anybody list what the breakfast is like in economy and PE equivalent on the other major UK airlines? Is it just as bad? Does anybody have any experience as I have only flown VS to the US in the past five years.

[ii]
#455384 by Decker
26 Sep 2008, 21:17
Soledad - please READ VSCSS's posting on page 2 of this thread - Posted - 23/09/2008 : 13:53:31.

There is still disagreement with the lack of change to East Coast flights but there is consensus that the changes outlined herein for other flights are very much for the better.
#455398 by RichardMannion
26 Sep 2008, 22:41
They serve breakfast on the flight? Well damn me, I'm normally encumbered in my UCS asleep and then enjoy the delights of breakfast in Revivals, whilst perusing the FT. Such is life. I was once told about airline food, 'remember to remove the plastic lid/foil, it won't taste any better but looks slightly more elegant.

Toodles.
#456146 by pmccer
04 Oct 2008, 01:25
keeping to the original thread (food or lack of it), on the VS 30 from BGI this morning i was offered the cheese and egg roll (run out of bacon although only 200 on board) and no muffin or cereal bar as suggested by VCSSS, i checked with a friend who travelled on VS16 from MCO monday and they too only got the hot roll, however i have to say it was far tastier than the cereal bar on the Dubai flight last week... so much so i had a second! Should there be a muffin too????
#456261 by declansmith
06 Oct 2008, 01:31
With regards exit rows you can pay the extra at check in which will 'gurantee' you the seat or you can take a chance and see if one is still avaliable when the flight closes or you reach the gate.

No charge for A or K seats due to the door bustle intruding some of your space.

Economy customers only receive Bacon roll or Egg and cheese muffin before landing with a drink.

PE get muffin, roll and fruit.
#456846 by TheHarps
13 Oct 2008, 19:30
I have just returned on VS052 TAB-LGW overnight flight. I was served a hot bacon roll, also on offer was a hot egg roll. The muffin was still there though.
#456865 by Gerry89530
13 Oct 2008, 22:07
M & S on board would be good! Great comments Bill S (Lol!)
Always pack a snack when flying, never had anything taken off me yet (just try it!)

Why can't VS offer a buy what food you want option from a menu, obviously a small choice for all the obvious reasons, but any choice would be good and could be profitable for VS.
Nothing better than a nice breaky when you wake up hungry on a flight.
#456886 by cydara
14 Oct 2008, 02:32
I hear hot bacon rolls are appearing all over the fleet.....could this be a successful hearing for us all?!!
#456889 by slinky09
14 Oct 2008, 04:21
Originally posted by Gerry89530
Why can't VS offer a buy what food you want option from a menu


[:0]

Let's not ask for that which we do not want!
#456891 by Darren Wheeler
14 Oct 2008, 04:52
Originally posted by slinky09
Originally posted by Gerry89530
Why can't VS offer a buy what food you want option from a menu


[:0]

Let's not ask for that which we do not want!


Agreed. You'd still get the muffin/cereal bar but get charged £3 for it. [xx(]
#456896 by honey lamb
14 Oct 2008, 10:42
Originally posted by Gerry89530


Why can't VS offer a buy what food you want option from a menu, obviously a small choice for all the obvious reasons, but any choice would be good and could be profitable for VS.

Be careful what you wish for, you might actually get it. [:0][V]

United were considering offering Buy on Board in economy for their transatlantic runs but even they gave up on that idea before it was out of the starting blocks. If you've ever travelled on a flight that serves BOB (and I'm not just talking about Ryanair here) you'll know why.
#456980 by cydara
15 Oct 2008, 01:25
Well..I think something hot is a good thing and as long as its not those sweaty plastic packed things that turn up then its got to be an improvement....I am eternally hopeful!
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