VS Ops at GLA

Looks like flyglobespan has got in before VS with flights from GLA. They have been operating daily Orlando's this summer,but are adding twice weekly to LAS & weekly to BGI & BOS next year.

Just proves that money can be made, VS & an A330 could clean up on this market up at GLA. Now that the "four engines for long haul" decals have been removed, perhaps an announcement is in order????

[buns]

Denzil

According to the 2007 Virgin Holiday Florida Brochure, the new Flight Schedule shows a Friday flight out of GLA[:0]

Seems at last the message might be getting through

buns

Originally posted by Denzil
Looks like flyglobespan has got in before VS with flights from GLA. They have been operating daily Orlando's this summer,but are adding twice weekly to LAS & weekly to BGI & BOS next year.

Just proves that money can be made, VS & an A330 could clean up on this market up at GLA. Now that the "four engines for long haul" decals have been removed, perhaps an announcement is in order????

If I was in GLA I'd go for VS anyday because flyglobespan are basically easyJet going long-haul. Also I'd rather avoid Sanford if possible [V]so I'm willing to pay extra to go to a proper airport:D

Hmmm, I've said it before and will say it again, flyglobespan are expanding so quick they are biting off more that they can chew. Big bang expansion short-haul is OK cos they're nearly guaranteed to be a success*, but long-haul is another story[:?]

VS didn't start off with a big-bang expansion. They built their reputation slowly and its because of this they are where they are today.

For GSM to expand at this rate they must either have a large cash reserve the equivalent to the true value of Sir Alan Sugar and his business empire, or they are doing it as a bet for someone to develop a profitable long-haul network by the end of the decade, or they are desperate[:?]

VS075, so you don't like flyglobespan then??? It's not a comparison just pointing out what they are doing, so get off your high horse!! But to put you right on a few points, they aren't easyjet doing long haul, they offer a 767 with economy, prem economy & business class. The aircraft are second user (although some 737's are new). They aren't expanding THAT fast, just adding a couple more 767's for next year, although they do have 2 787's on order. As for success, the current flights are very busy. If you can do better & setting up & expanding an airline then go ahead & do it.

The 2007 flights are on a Saturday & only for 6 weeks, but who knows what 2008 has to offer!!!!!!!!

While on the point of comparison - GSM shorthaul is nothing like easyJet. You get a reserved seat for a start and comp soft and hot drinks. Last time I flew on a morning service from Edinburgh I was given a bacon roll too. Good luck to them I say, avoiding London on long haul is a big plus for me in Scotland.

John

[Neil]

Must say I have been looking into GSM recently after it was brought to my attention by a fellow VF. In my opinion it looks like what they are offering is quite good. The Business class rates especially seem very reasonable, ok I know its not going to compare to anything VS can offer with the UCS, but compared to say a PE products it looks goods and I can understand why they are doing well. I have read a few TRs from people and by all accounts the service was excellent (something which maybe VS like at times?)

Be interested to see how VS do when they start with the flight ex GLA

Neil:)

Originally posted by VS075

Also I'd rather avoid Sanford if possible [V]so I'm willing to pay extra to go to a proper airport:D

I would also add that Sanford is a very good alternative to MCO. Whilst MCO is a nice enough airport the queues at time are outrageous. Sanford may be a bit further out but they've really got their act together in the last couple of years.

If you are using 'proper' to describe 'big' then I guess you may be right but big does not always equal good.

Phil FM

Globespan (which I assume is a sister company - althought I stand to be corrected) has been flying out of Scotland, long haul to Canada for years.

David

I think it is connected, but it's flights are operated by Air Transat!!

Woohoo! VS flights from Glasgow! That would be a very good thing indeed.

Now how about that clubhouse at GLA then?

Originally posted by Denzil
VS075, so you don't like flyglobespan then??? It's not a comparison just pointing out what they are doing, so get off your high horse!! But to put you right on a few points, they aren't easyjet doing long haul, they offer a 767 with economy, prem economy & business class. The aircraft are second user (although some 737's are new). They aren't expanding THAT fast, just adding a couple more 767's for next year, although they do have 2 787's on order. As for success, the current flights are very busy. If you can do better & setting up & expanding an airline then go ahead & do it.

The 2007 flights are on a Saturday & only for 6 weeks, but who knows what 2008 has to offer!!!!!!!!

I never said I didn't like flyglobespan. My opinion about them is that the rate that they are expanding their long-haul network its taking a big risk. By all means good luck to themm its just that if the markets there then other carriers would've already done so, right?

If their flights are very full already then you must mean short-haul plus the GLA-SFB route. Whether all their future long-hauls will be busy too remains to be seem.

As for comparison, the only route that I can compare GSM with VS will be Glasgow-Florida. GSM fly to Sanford and VS will fly to Orlando Intl. I made the comment on preferring to fly with an airline into MCO is because I've used that airport 3 times before and were good. OK having your luggage scanned twice upon arrival might be a little over the top but its unavoidable, and for all we know by 2050 all airports in the world might have to do this. As for SFB, some family have used it before and have said that they would prefer MCO but couldn't because of cost.

A for 'easyJet going long-haul' they are a low fares airline after all? And easyJet is the first word that comes to many peoples minds when 'low-cost air travel' is mentioned. It was merely a stereotypical comment.

As for fleet expansion. Another 767 is due by the end of the year and they will be getting another 767 plus 2 757s. To reiterate what I said before VS didn't expand that rapidly when they started off, and again, long-haul is a more riskier market than short-haul.

If I could set up my own airline I would. Can I borrow £30m please from you, your investment will be repaid in full by the end of the decade plus as many shares as you like when it's floated on the LSE;)

If I don't like a particular airline I would've said so in plain English. Ryanair and Excel are two of them. (And I'm not gonna argue about this)

Originally posted by VS075

Also I'd rather avoid Sanford if possible [V]

Why? Just because you've been to MCO three times and it was "good"???

No logic there I'm afraid.

Regards

John

No logic from most of the comments. flyglobespan have a good short haul network & they are gradually building up a long haul network. The expansion isn't that rapid. Talking of rapid expansion, how about announcing an increased frequency one week & cancelling it the next!!!!

Originally posted by JAT74L
Why? Just because you've been to MCO three times and it was "good"???

To be honest I've heard stories which has resulted in me thinking twice about using SFB. And since I've used MCO before with no problems there's no reason why I shouldn't use MCO again, not necessarily because its 'good'. It's called 'playing safe' and sticking to what you know;)

Then again I'd gladly use SFB and save £££ in the process if I couldn't use MCO for whatever reason.

[rant]

Originally posted by JAT74L
No logic there I'm afraid.

Then why reply? Seriously if there's one thing that annoys me that is whenever someone moans about worthless posts when moaning about it is worthless. Thats why no one cares about Jose Mourinho because some comments he says (like writing off Liverpool) has no logic.

By the way Denzil if there's no logic in ANY of my comments then I would've left this forum ages ago. If its worthless then leave it. I was only voicing my opinions which are non-racist and don't offend certain individuals and lately, seems to be causing people to take offence throw a paddy at me about it and say 'oh no you've said this what's the point moan moan moan no logic blah blah blah'. I mean what have I done to deserve that...

NOTHING!!!

Can't be bothered arguing on this thread anymore before it turns into a big riot worthy of a.net

[/rant]

Steady on chaps - remember that we will all have our own opinions on a wide range of issues but that does not mean that any of these is either right or wrong!

Healthy debate is great as long as it doesnt get personal!!

Enjoy!

[honey lamb]

Come on now - play nicely [V]

VS075,

We don't do "big riots" here. We also don't do "racist".


Lock the thread please Mods.

John

[preiffer]

Sorry, but I don't see any need to lock this thread - if people just calm down a little!

As all others are on this site, VS075 is more than entitled to their opinion. They've made some good points, as have other members in this thread.

Let's take the heat and emotion out of a topic that started out with a simple fact, if we can, and as others have said "play nicely"... [:?]:)

Originally posted by VS075


To be honest I've heard stories which has resulted in me thinking twice about using SFB.

Quantify this please.

Then why reply?.

Because I don't agree with you.

Regards

John

I would just like to thank preiffer for seconding my point on being entitled to my own opinion. I've calmed down now and I'm sorry for it escalating to this[:#]

JAT74L, I can see that V-Flyer don't do big riots and racism, that's why I joined instead of a.net. At that point I thought that it would be the first thread in the boards history to turn into a full blown riot.

If you don't agree with my opinions fair enough, just please don't dismiss it as 'no logic'. But my views on flyglobespan will stay the same until proven wrong, and all the best to VS for their new route out of Glasgow. The people of Scotland have never had a better time to choose from a wide choice of trans-atlantic services, and its something that they should be proud of[y]

As for my views on SFB http://www.airlinequality.com/Airports/Airport_forum/sfb.htm

You will find the stories I refer to on this link. Fair enough some of the recent comments suggest a vast improvement, but I still prefer to use MCO if possible because of its proximity to Orlando's main attractions and the rest of Florida as well as its good air links and good facilities.

Please don't bite my head off again[B)]

OK!

John

[Neil]

Christ - you go away for a day and a fairly normal thread turns nasty[:0]. VS075, you are right, you are entilted to your opinion all I would say is that if you back up your statements with a bit more fact then it often helps other VF's understand where you are coming from, if you don't then surely they are entilted to reply and question your POV?

Personally, as mentioned before have a few friends who have used GSM and SFB and given it a big [y], but as with everything, people have different opinions, and whilst some like it, other won't, it all depends on personal expectations and requirements.

Neil:)

nb: just a side note, I also don't think this thread should be locked, discussion and sharing of opinion is good[y]

Opinion is good, especially if based on facts. Other than the fact that SFB is the home of the bucket & spade brigade, you don't quote any facts!! AS for flyglobespan, I don't think a fleet of 11 aircraft is an expansion out of control (compare that with Virgin Blue!!).

The initial point of this was to highlight the fact that flyglobespan have already got in on the act of flying to VS type destinations from GLA. There was plenty of rumours both inside & outside VS of a possible addition of A330's, the rumour was of a possible flights to Barbados & Orlando from GLA. Obviously this never came to fruition, so after the 6 VS Orlando flights next year it would appear that flyglobespan will have a monopoly. Regardless of your opinions on flyglobespan, it would appear their choice of destinations is well tuned to the local market.

[Bazz]

Originally posted by Denzil
...the rumour was of a possible flights to Barbados & Orlando from GLA. Obviously this never came to fruition...

Never say never, I think you mean 'has not yet'

This has been a GREAT thread.

This is what makes forums like this great[^][^]

Yes we all get hot under the collar, but at the end of the day everyone can have their say[y] and when we realise that we were out of line we can say sorry[:I]